Ivan's first b20zvtec.
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Ivan's first b20zvtec.
UPDATE 8/17... GO TO PAGE 2 FOR PICS OF KNOTCHED B20Z VALVE RELIEFS.
UPDATE 8/18... GO TO PAGE 2 FOR INFO AND PICS OF DIY INSTALL OF ARP ROD BOLT WHILE PISTONS IN BLOCK
UPDATE 10/09....HYDRO LOCKED #2 CYLINDER YESTERDAY. TODAY PURCHASED ALMOST BRAND NEW WISECO PISTONS p/n K594M85 85mm 13.2 - 14.2 Comp Ratio +8.25 . (i think its about to get very interesting. stay tuned.)
i been waiting a long time to make this thread. its been years of sacrifice collecting parts but its all coming together. i wanted to share this with you guys because some of you have taught me so much without me having to ask a single question. this build was based on a single fathers budget so i tried to buy smart. whether i did or not remains to be seen. please feel free to school me during the course of this thread. im looking forward to it. cheers.
MY SET UP
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Car.. 94 Integra LS
2000 front and rear bumpers
replica oem option sides and rears
shaved moldings
MOTOR
Head.. gsr head
type r valves,springs.ect..
ctr cams
Aebs intake manifold
OMNIMAN 70mm tb
stock injectors/fuel pump
Block.. stock b20z2 (phk pistons) opened valve reliefs
arp rod bolts PN208-6001 (DIY INSTALL ON PAGE 2)
Trans.. gsr tranny
XTD stage 3 clutch 6 puck
XTD 8lb flywheel
Exhaust.. replica hytech header
Tsudo 70mm N1 style exhaust
Tuning.. hondata s200
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back in 2008 i bought a b20z at a local savage yard. i should have gone b20v at the time but didnt for no good reason. car has ran great up until april when i blew a head gasket. i knew a long time ago that when that head gasket blew, i would not be putting a non vtec head back on.
two weeks ago i decided to pull just the head and install a stock gsr head with b17 cams untuned on a basemap. this was very weak and not what i had in mind. i was trying to be cheap and fast. not sure how reliable but it runs.lol this was unacceptable. i got out the credit card and started ordering parts and hitting the local forums/craigslist looking for parts. i think i did ok.
tomorrow i will start the teardown and install of all the go fast parts i have collected. here is the view i have been looking at all day. thanks for watching and wish me luck. dyno is scheduled for ?????? so stay tuned.
UPDATE 8/18... GO TO PAGE 2 FOR INFO AND PICS OF DIY INSTALL OF ARP ROD BOLT WHILE PISTONS IN BLOCK
UPDATE 10/09....HYDRO LOCKED #2 CYLINDER YESTERDAY. TODAY PURCHASED ALMOST BRAND NEW WISECO PISTONS p/n K594M85 85mm 13.2 - 14.2 Comp Ratio +8.25 . (i think its about to get very interesting. stay tuned.)
i been waiting a long time to make this thread. its been years of sacrifice collecting parts but its all coming together. i wanted to share this with you guys because some of you have taught me so much without me having to ask a single question. this build was based on a single fathers budget so i tried to buy smart. whether i did or not remains to be seen. please feel free to school me during the course of this thread. im looking forward to it. cheers.
MY SET UP
................................
Car.. 94 Integra LS
2000 front and rear bumpers
replica oem option sides and rears
shaved moldings
MOTOR
Head.. gsr head
type r valves,springs.ect..
ctr cams
Aebs intake manifold
OMNIMAN 70mm tb
stock injectors/fuel pump
Block.. stock b20z2 (phk pistons) opened valve reliefs
arp rod bolts PN208-6001 (DIY INSTALL ON PAGE 2)
Trans.. gsr tranny
XTD stage 3 clutch 6 puck
XTD 8lb flywheel
Exhaust.. replica hytech header
Tsudo 70mm N1 style exhaust
Tuning.. hondata s200
..............................................
back in 2008 i bought a b20z at a local savage yard. i should have gone b20v at the time but didnt for no good reason. car has ran great up until april when i blew a head gasket. i knew a long time ago that when that head gasket blew, i would not be putting a non vtec head back on.
two weeks ago i decided to pull just the head and install a stock gsr head with b17 cams untuned on a basemap. this was very weak and not what i had in mind. i was trying to be cheap and fast. not sure how reliable but it runs.lol this was unacceptable. i got out the credit card and started ordering parts and hitting the local forums/craigslist looking for parts. i think i did ok.
tomorrow i will start the teardown and install of all the go fast parts i have collected. here is the view i have been looking at all day. thanks for watching and wish me luck. dyno is scheduled for ?????? so stay tuned.
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08-09-2011, 06:56 AM
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Beautiful DC!! I'm doing my whole build on a serious budget too so best of luck and I know where your coming from bro! Just Don't let these haters on here get you down when they start raggin on you for buying replica stuff and whatnot... They think as long as they pay rediculous $$$ for something that it has to be better than anything else.
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Re: Ivan's first b20zvtec.
Beautiful DC!! I'm doing my whole build on a serious budget too so best of luck and I know where your coming from bro! Just Don't let these haters on here get you down when they start raggin on you for buying replica stuff and whatnot... They think as long as they pay rediculous $$$ for something that it has to be better than anything else.
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Re: Ivan's first b20zvtec.
in fact im running that same replica header on my setup although i do think i need the big tube version id like to get a smsp replica header down the line
08-09-2011, 12:20 PM
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Re: Ivan's first b20zvtec.
what do you guys think of my parts list? im trying for 185-190 with this setup. should i lower my expectations?
08-09-2011, 02:28 PM
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Re: Ivan's first b20zvtec.
should i get cam gears for tuning? im using ctr cams. will open up the tops of the intake valve reliefs of the phk pistons. head has been milled but im not sure how much.
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In my opinion yes. With ls vtec/b20 vtec motors, timing will always be slightly off so adjustable cam gears can be used to compensate. Milling the head or decking the block will only exaggerate the issue further. At some point adjustable cam gears become less of a luxury for making more power, but rather more of a necessity for getting the motor to run properly.
Even though you are running stock cams, you might see a small gain out of playing with the cam gear settings. Based upon what I have read over my interweb travels, some relatively stock motors on oem cams like a +1 degree setting on the intake cam. Thats not to say your motor will, but you get my point.
Even though you are running stock cams, you might see a small gain out of playing with the cam gear settings. Based upon what I have read over my interweb travels, some relatively stock motors on oem cams like a +1 degree setting on the intake cam. Thats not to say your motor will, but you get my point.
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Re: Ivan's first b20zvtec.
In my opinion yes. With ls vtec/b20 vtec motors, timing will always be slightly off so adjustable cam gears can be used to compensate. Milling the head or decking the block will only exaggerate the issue further. At some point adjustable cam gears become less of a luxury for making more power, but rather more of a necessity for getting the motor to run properly.
Even though you are running stock cams, you might see a small gain out of playing with the cam gear settings. Based upon what I have read over my interweb travels, some relatively stock motors on oem cams like a +1 degree setting on the intake cam. Thats not to say your motor will, but you get my point.
Even though you are running stock cams, you might see a small gain out of playing with the cam gear settings. Based upon what I have read over my interweb travels, some relatively stock motors on oem cams like a +1 degree setting on the intake cam. Thats not to say your motor will, but you get my point.
also can you identify these cam gears. would like to know brand so i research them before i buy. this is a pic from a local seller.
08-10-2011, 05:22 AM
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Timing being off is a typical characteristic of the Frankenstein motors. I’ve never seen one using stock cam gears with spot on timing. Timing will always be slightly off.
Shaving the head or decking the block will also put timing off slightly because you are decreasing the distance between the head and block and inherently decreasing the distance the timing belt travels which will lead to timing being slightly off.
The Frankenstein combination and having a shaved head compound on each other, it’s not just one or the other; they both play a factor in timing being off. I hope that helps.
As far as those cam gears go…I can’t really help you with identifying them. My guess would be that if they don’t have any kind of brand markings they are probably just a generic brand. Generic brand cam gears are not necessarily bad, just the hardware they use is not really on point. I would have no problem running a generic cam gear as long as the adjustment bolts were replaced with something I was comfortable with running. Hell, the last pair of Skunk2 Pro-series cam gears I had were complete crap. I bought them new from S2 and within about 8 timing adjustments 3 out of 6 bolts had stripped the threads out of one of the cam gears making it pretty much useless. I guess it’s just an expensive paper weight now. Lol
Shaving the head or decking the block will also put timing off slightly because you are decreasing the distance between the head and block and inherently decreasing the distance the timing belt travels which will lead to timing being slightly off.
The Frankenstein combination and having a shaved head compound on each other, it’s not just one or the other; they both play a factor in timing being off. I hope that helps.
As far as those cam gears go…I can’t really help you with identifying them. My guess would be that if they don’t have any kind of brand markings they are probably just a generic brand. Generic brand cam gears are not necessarily bad, just the hardware they use is not really on point. I would have no problem running a generic cam gear as long as the adjustment bolts were replaced with something I was comfortable with running. Hell, the last pair of Skunk2 Pro-series cam gears I had were complete crap. I bought them new from S2 and within about 8 timing adjustments 3 out of 6 bolts had stripped the threads out of one of the cam gears making it pretty much useless. I guess it’s just an expensive paper weight now. Lol
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Timing being off is a typical characteristic of the Frankenstein motors. I’ve never seen one using stock cam gears with spot on timing. Timing will always be slightly off.
Shaving the head or decking the block will also put timing off slightly because you are decreasing the distance between the head and block and inherently decreasing the distance the timing belt travels which will lead to timing being slightly off.
The Frankenstein combination and having a shaved head compound on each other, it’s not just one or the other; they both play a factor in timing being off. I hope that helps.
As far as those cam gears go…I can’t really help you with identifying them. My guess would be that if they don’t have any kind of brand markings they are probably just a generic brand. Generic brand cam gears are not necessarily bad, just the hardware they use is not really on point. I would have no problem running a generic cam gear as long as the adjustment bolts were replaced with something I was comfortable with running. Hell, the last pair of Skunk2 Pro-series cam gears I had were complete crap. I bought them new from S2 and within about 8 timing adjustments 3 out of 6 bolts had stripped the threads out of one of the cam gears making it pretty much useless. I guess it’s just an expensive paper weight now. Lol
Shaving the head or decking the block will also put timing off slightly because you are decreasing the distance between the head and block and inherently decreasing the distance the timing belt travels which will lead to timing being slightly off.
The Frankenstein combination and having a shaved head compound on each other, it’s not just one or the other; they both play a factor in timing being off. I hope that helps.
As far as those cam gears go…I can’t really help you with identifying them. My guess would be that if they don’t have any kind of brand markings they are probably just a generic brand. Generic brand cam gears are not necessarily bad, just the hardware they use is not really on point. I would have no problem running a generic cam gear as long as the adjustment bolts were replaced with something I was comfortable with running. Hell, the last pair of Skunk2 Pro-series cam gears I had were complete crap. I bought them new from S2 and within about 8 timing adjustments 3 out of 6 bolts had stripped the threads out of one of the cam gears making it pretty much useless. I guess it’s just an expensive paper weight now. Lol
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ok so with that said i most likely need cam gears. im looking at the bolts on these cam gears. they look like they were put there in place of those cheap Allen head bolts. i also heard of changing out the bolts with arp fasteners so i might look into that. thanks man. you been a big help.
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looks like i scored gold on the cam gears. they are St Corsa's. they have a locking pin that prevents them from slipping. Padawan tried to start a petition to have them manufactured again with no success. stopped making these back in 04 i think. lolz i thought they were ebay cam gears. good sh*t!!
https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-integra-type-r-8/i-got-my-st-corsa-cam-gears-they-rock-thanks-tweakmeister-553476/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/cam-gears-1024315/
I recently spoke with one of the individuals at ST Corsa, and unfortunately the company has made the decision to cease production for the moment. Apparently, the person charged with marketing the product did not do a terribly effective job, and as with many products that lack the backing of a large, well-known company name, the word simply never truly spread about them. This is not to imply that ST Corsa is by any means a fly-by-night operation (quite the opposite), just not currently popular in the sport compact marketplace. ST Corsa deemed the demand for the sprockets insufficient, and thus halted production.
A small inventory may yet remain at a few retailers, so that's your best bet to obtain a set now. I strongly encourage anyone who is interested in these sprockets (whether you already own them or not) to contact ST Corsa and express to them that there is indeed a viable market for their unique product. It would be unfortunate for Honda/Acura tuning enthusiasts to lose the opportunity to purchase these sprockets, because their design is a decided improvement over basically every other competitor. They're very well-made, reasonably priced (I believe most retailers were offering them somewhere around $185-$195 per pair) and perhaps most importantly, they cannot slip.
I may even try to arrange some sort of online petition in the near future, but for now, I've provided links below to information on the sprockets as well as ST Corsa's contact information. I should note that I'm in no way affiliated with the company, and the only thing I stand to gain with the reintroduction of these sprockets is the opportunity to purchase and use them in the future, just like everyone else.
Shoulder -Lock Cam Sprockets (Note that the information is for B-series sprockets, but there is the possibility of H-series versions as well)
ST Corsa Contact Info
https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-integra-type-r-8/i-got-my-st-corsa-cam-gears-they-rock-thanks-tweakmeister-553476/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/cam-gears-1024315/
I recently spoke with one of the individuals at ST Corsa, and unfortunately the company has made the decision to cease production for the moment. Apparently, the person charged with marketing the product did not do a terribly effective job, and as with many products that lack the backing of a large, well-known company name, the word simply never truly spread about them. This is not to imply that ST Corsa is by any means a fly-by-night operation (quite the opposite), just not currently popular in the sport compact marketplace. ST Corsa deemed the demand for the sprockets insufficient, and thus halted production.
A small inventory may yet remain at a few retailers, so that's your best bet to obtain a set now. I strongly encourage anyone who is interested in these sprockets (whether you already own them or not) to contact ST Corsa and express to them that there is indeed a viable market for their unique product. It would be unfortunate for Honda/Acura tuning enthusiasts to lose the opportunity to purchase these sprockets, because their design is a decided improvement over basically every other competitor. They're very well-made, reasonably priced (I believe most retailers were offering them somewhere around $185-$195 per pair) and perhaps most importantly, they cannot slip.
I may even try to arrange some sort of online petition in the near future, but for now, I've provided links below to information on the sprockets as well as ST Corsa's contact information. I should note that I'm in no way affiliated with the company, and the only thing I stand to gain with the reintroduction of these sprockets is the opportunity to purchase and use them in the future, just like everyone else.
Shoulder -Lock Cam Sprockets (Note that the information is for B-series sprockets, but there is the possibility of H-series versions as well)
ST Corsa Contact Info
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08-11-2011, 02:09 AM
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Take one of the bolts to an automotive fastener store to find a replacement. Also I noticed you said 60mm TB? Your going to need a 65+mm TB.
08-11-2011, 11:59 AM
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Re: Ivan's first b20zvtec.
what about the SKUNK2 ALPHA THROTTLE BODY 70MM? images from jhpusa.com.
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Re: Ivan's first b20zvtec.
more parts came in today. ill be making a homemade catch can so i got these ports from a prelude. also i picked up a Glow Shift oil sandwich adapter plate for 25? off eBay. while i was at Honda i decided to buy a hat. nice right? i am just about done collecting parts. its been over 110 degrees outside. thats why i havent pulled the motor. i will pull it this weekend with pics showing the claying and opening of the valve reliefs.
08-12-2011, 03:22 PM
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Professional Products or Omni Power throttle bodies are the only aftermarket ones I would use. A screw backed out of the last skunk2 one I had and destroyed an engine so...yea I'm not a big skunk2 fan. I would go with a Professional products 68mm.
08-12-2011, 08:26 PM
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Re: Ivan's first b20zvtec.
now my questions. i have an AEBS intake manifold that i read is 65mm. can i gasket match the tb gasket to the intake manifold with just a dremel? this is a total DIY so i wont be boring with a machine shop.
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08-13-2011, 09:17 AM
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I have not personally used them, but the Evolution Industries/Bisimoto Engineering "Time'n Lock" sprockets seem to be the next best thing. They incorporate serrations on the opposing faces of the outer and inner rings, so they are much less likely to slip unless all the adjusting bolts become extremely loose.
They're a bit more expensive than the ST Corsas were, but these would likely be my choice for a build now that the ST Corsas are no longer available.
08-14-2011, 12:07 AM
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The ST Corsa sprockets were indeed a great, innovative design.
I have not personally used them, but the Evolution Industries/Bisimoto Engineering "Time'n Lock" sprockets seem to be the next best thing. They incorporate serrations on the opposing faces of the outer and inner rings, so they are much less likely to slip unless all the adjusting bolts become extremely loose.
They're a bit more expensive than the ST Corsas were, but these would likely be my choice for a build now that the ST Corsas are no longer available.
I have not personally used them, but the Evolution Industries/Bisimoto Engineering "Time'n Lock" sprockets seem to be the next best thing. They incorporate serrations on the opposing faces of the outer and inner rings, so they are much less likely to slip unless all the adjusting bolts become extremely loose.
They're a bit more expensive than the ST Corsas were, but these would likely be my choice for a build now that the ST Corsas are no longer available.
today i finally took the motor out and got it on the engine stand. tomorrow i will pull the head and start on opening the valve reliefs on the b20z pistons. wish me luck.
check out this pic i took the other day. poor teg.
08-14-2011, 04:00 PM
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yes and yes. running ctr cams. im not the first owner that milled this head so i think im going clay the motor before i bust out the dremel. better safe than sorry. why do you ask?