IPG All Motor Car Project
10-20-2009, 11:47 AM
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IPG All Motor Car Project
Some of you know of our turbo car that we have competed with for quite some time and have always enjoyed running the SFWD / T4 / Outlaw FWD class and now we are trying our hands at something different -- getting back to my all motor roots.
I purchased TBone's race car from him a while ago and sold a bunch of the parts off but still have a lot of the great All Motor B Series parts here at the warehouse and finally found a decent chassis to start with to start this project.
This thread will chronicle our build of this car. We aren't looking to set records, we are just looking to have some fun with this project, here are the plans for the setup. A lot of these parts we already had laying around the shop so that is why they are getting put on this project, might as well use as much stuff that we have already.
Engine:
86mm Bore, 95mm Stroke B Series (13.5:1 ish compression )
RLZ GSR Cylinder Head
Skunk2 Tuner 3 Camshafts
Hytech Big Tube Header
Gato Intake Manifold
Moroso External Single Stage Oil Pump
Mezeire Electric Water Pump
ID 750cc Injectors
Motec M4 EMS
Q16 Fuel
Chassis Plans:
1994 Honda Civic CX Hatchback
Lighten as much as we can without getting crazy cutting things -- "Street" Car
Coilovers
Weld Front and Rear Wheels
Avid Engine Mounts
Avid Traction Bar
Kirkey Seat
Going to set Conservative Goals of:
280 WHP
11.2x ET's
updates:
start-up video and new pics - https://honda-tech.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=313
we made some power, 277 whp -- https://honda-tech.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=318
B Series Was Fun -- but we had a chance to move to a K Series and took it - -check it out here -- https://honda-tech.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=431
Here are some preliminary shots as we get things rolling with the work this week, will update as new parts of the project are complete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W3Wh0LCiTk
I purchased TBone's race car from him a while ago and sold a bunch of the parts off but still have a lot of the great All Motor B Series parts here at the warehouse and finally found a decent chassis to start with to start this project.
This thread will chronicle our build of this car. We aren't looking to set records, we are just looking to have some fun with this project, here are the plans for the setup. A lot of these parts we already had laying around the shop so that is why they are getting put on this project, might as well use as much stuff that we have already.
Engine:
86mm Bore, 95mm Stroke B Series (13.5:1 ish compression )
RLZ GSR Cylinder Head
Skunk2 Tuner 3 Camshafts
Hytech Big Tube Header
Gato Intake Manifold
Moroso External Single Stage Oil Pump
Mezeire Electric Water Pump
ID 750cc Injectors
Motec M4 EMS
Q16 Fuel
Chassis Plans:
1994 Honda Civic CX Hatchback
Lighten as much as we can without getting crazy cutting things -- "Street" Car
Coilovers
Weld Front and Rear Wheels
Avid Engine Mounts
Avid Traction Bar
Kirkey Seat
Going to set Conservative Goals of:
280 WHP
11.2x ET's
updates:
start-up video and new pics - https://honda-tech.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=313
we made some power, 277 whp -- https://honda-tech.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=318
B Series Was Fun -- but we had a chance to move to a K Series and took it - -check it out here -- https://honda-tech.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=431
Here are some preliminary shots as we get things rolling with the work this week, will update as new parts of the project are complete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W3Wh0LCiTk
Last edited by Innes; 08-18-2011 at 10:10 AM.
10-20-2009, 12:14 PM
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Re: IPG All Motor Car Project
is that the bottomend tom used on the "project 300" deal? what valve sizes on the cyl head?
looks real good. in for results!
looks real good. in for results!
10-20-2009, 12:18 PM
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probably just use some Blox Drag Coilovers
yes, this is the bottom end from Project 300
everyone i have spoken to about this project recommended the Tuner 3s so that is what we are using - once things are up and running we may test some different camshafts combinations but the Tuner 3s will be in there to begin with.
Good to see another allmotor car.
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10-20-2009, 04:43 PM
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Re: IPG All Motor Car Project
Hey James, what's up my friend? I am presently using the Tuner 3 cams and hate them! I made more power with the tuner 2 cams than the 3's. I will be upgrading to BC5's soon or PRO3's.
10-21-2009, 08:58 AM
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or at least not running the injectors on stock location
10-21-2009, 09:03 AM
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Re: IPG All Motor Car Project
will have pictures of that setup coming shortly once we get a bit further along.
10-21-2009, 09:09 AM
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Re: IPG All Motor Car Project
we will be running an AIR intake manifold -- i have one here that was set up for 8 injectors -- the bottom set of injectors are set back in the runners on this particular manifold so we won't be using the top, stock location slots but rather the bottom row for this build due to the Epoxied head.
will have pictures of that setup coming shortly once we get a bit further along.
will have pictures of that setup coming shortly once we get a bit further along.
Interesting location for the injectors, does that help or hinder the spray pattern?
That's what I thought at first but he had listed the AIR intake manifold.
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10-21-2009, 09:35 AM
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Re: IPG All Motor Car Project
Typically the further up the intake tract that fuel is delivered, the more time it has to atomize into the charge air. The spray pattern is dictated by the injector nozzle, pulse width and fuel pressure. There are certain injectors you would want to use in a system like that, and certainly some you wouldn't... A higher pressure, fine spray pattern injector like the new Siemens/VDO or Bosch units would be ideal, an older pintle style injector like a DSM/Denso would not perform well.
For stock injector locations, Endyn did some experimenting with causing turbulence around the injector opening in the port mouth. He found that there are some gains to be made from a better atomized air/fuel charge at the expense of port velocity. It looked like golf ball style dimples machined into the injector opening on the roof of the port mouth.
To really take advantage of remote injector setups you need a method of controlling injector timing vs engine speed, something current ROM editors do not have. Some EMS's have the ability to control multiple banks of injectors, at multiple injector timing values versus engine speed.
OEM's typically will not use remote injector setups because of emissions and fuel consumption. The further up the injecors are in the intake tract, the more 'wetting' of the intake runner and port wall occurs, which can lead to a large amount of evaporative emissions when the engine is turned off.
This would be the most ideal setup, close mounted injectors for low engine speeds, and top-feed injectors for mid-high engine speed:
For stock injector locations, Endyn did some experimenting with causing turbulence around the injector opening in the port mouth. He found that there are some gains to be made from a better atomized air/fuel charge at the expense of port velocity. It looked like golf ball style dimples machined into the injector opening on the roof of the port mouth.
To really take advantage of remote injector setups you need a method of controlling injector timing vs engine speed, something current ROM editors do not have. Some EMS's have the ability to control multiple banks of injectors, at multiple injector timing values versus engine speed.
OEM's typically will not use remote injector setups because of emissions and fuel consumption. The further up the injecors are in the intake tract, the more 'wetting' of the intake runner and port wall occurs, which can lead to a large amount of evaporative emissions when the engine is turned off.
This would be the most ideal setup, close mounted injectors for low engine speeds, and top-feed injectors for mid-high engine speed:
10-21-2009, 11:32 AM
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Re: IPG All Motor Car Project
Nice Kinsler B-series ITB with top feed/staged injection.
Very Pricey, but NICE.
To bad this isn't what will used on this build. Looking forward to see this AIR intake manifold. Suspect some pretty straight runners.
Very Pricey, but NICE.
To bad this isn't what will used on this build. Looking forward to see this AIR intake manifold. Suspect some pretty straight runners.
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10-21-2009, 02:16 PM
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Re: IPG All Motor Car Project
Thats awesome James ! Glad to see you working on a new project . .
Are your plans to have a fun street car or race it in the All motor street classes ? ?
Are your plans to have a fun street car or race it in the All motor street classes ? ?