negusjuda

eh just a thought lol

BeniRacing

Yes blox does copy as of right now...but someday could start R&D just like skuck2 did. Just remember skunk2 started as a replica company also.

00Red_SiR

If and when Blox ever decides to do their own R&D instead of copying everyone else (mainly skunk) I might cut them some slack, until then...no.

BeniRacing

My feeling is that eventhough Skunk2 has R&D...its still bad R&D. They need to stick to being a replica company. IMO

88Hatchy

I need an example of "bad R&D".

BeniRacing

https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/skunk-2-cam-gear-cracked-2833601/

https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/skunk2-pro-series-camgear-failure-2661164/

Just a few. Remember for every one thrown on here there is probably 5 more that didnt vocalize. And you can clearly see a design flaw. Don't push it off as user error.

00Red_SiR

cam gears? that's your evidence? I can honestly live with a few failures in one product that I'm sure will be corrected because it's NOT COPIED and R&D will take care of it. Every manufacturer has part failures, does that mean they should all stick to copying parts? Even the copiers have failures, just ask Mar778c to tell you about his Blox C intake cam that broke due to a bad casting. Ask him what kind of support he got from Blox afterwards. If they make cams that break, maybe they should stick to making plastic toys rather than real car parts?

raverx3m

iTrader: (1)

and blox copied that same cam gear lol

what did skunk2 copy? type-r manifold? i dont think they did( its a skunk2 designed manifold based on the type-r but not same exact)

so why is blox able to just openly copy someone elese product liek that, arent there copyright laws and patents or something?


its funny how people defend free/cheap **** untill they are in a position where someone else copies their work then they do a 180 and complain how some jackass is stealing their technology...


kinda like thieves, they keep stealin untill they get a taste of their own medicine, then some of them think twice before taking someones **** because they know the feeling when another thief takes something you worked hard for.

Madmood

Ummm You dont know what you are talking about.. Most of you dont. The Original skunk manifold was a direct copy of the Type-R B16 manifold. They improved on it since then. I wish some of you would stop posting crap that you know nothing about.


Blox may also copy another product. But they also make improvements on that product.

No I am not sponsored , nor do I own any of their products. Just tired of people that know nothing about something throwing false information out there.
STFU!!!!

00Red_SiR

Would you like to show us how and where Blox has "improved" a copy? Copying an OEM part is hardly going to hurt the performance world, or anyone else if there's nothing to gain power wise from upgrading. Taking an OEM part design and enhancing it is a far better course to travel in since we all know OEM did a pretty good job the first time. Skunk built off of OEM technology, what's wrong with that? If Blox did the same thing, it might be a different story.

92TypeR

I had a set of TODA A cams crack in half. I suppose using your logic, TODA has bad R&D. Nevermind that they successfully campaigned in Formula-3 for a decade.

Also, Lotus F1 had a gearbox failure during the Italian Grand Prix last weekend. We all know now, that Lotus has bad R&D, and makes sh*t products.

In 2004, an F22-Raptor crashed during landing because of an electrical problem. With your line of reasoning, all Lockheed Aviation Engineers are now incompetent and do bad R&D.

Given the fact that products made for racing and aviation do not have the luxury of 3-4x engineering safety factors due to the push for increased weight savings, and many are required to turn from testing to production in minimal time to keep ahead of the competition, what seams more reasonable:

A - Sporadic failures on new products for aviation/racing are the result of bad R&D, therefore all products made by that manufacturer are bad.

or

B - Sporadic failures on new products for aviation/racing are the result of pushing the envelope on performance/weight, and the standing of a manufacturer is decided by how they respond to such failures, and the ability to learn from mistakes and create even better products.

I vote B.

K7-1Ktrevor

Im sorry to say it but the real itr intake mani I had was way cleaner on the inside of it casting wise then either skunk2 or blox. it looked like a 3k dollar paint job next to a maaco one.

jyang408

blah blah blah... all you dumb *****.. we dont care who own what company! the question is..."is the new blox competition intake manifold better in performance than the old version and compare to the skunk2 pro? i want to know myself...

EHondaJDM

Yea there is differences if quality and performance with all these products but you guys gotta realize sometimes "**** happens"

Even the best **** break sometimes

00Red_SiR

since we're all "dumb *****" why would you trust any advice we would give you? If you want to know so bad, why don't you purchase one and dyno it and report your findings back to us? Maybe contribute something to H-T instead of just showing up on the board and demanding answers from everyone and giving nothing back in return?

EHondaJDM

Woof the truth hurts


Do it up and let us know how you make out, I might buy one with the springs and retainers im gonna test out from them

Red_Army

pretty sure they did this. without the blox they had a skunk2. and the ported ITR won...so use that.

yes blox copied/copies alot. deal with it. put on your big boy pants and grow up.
skunk2 has errors, you think every piece of every part to be perfect unbreakable and errorless? you'd run outta money on QC alone.
even top companies make mistakes it happens. cars roll off an assembly lines with non working parts sometimes things slip through now and again.

to me blox is junk. all of it. skunk2 while being good is overpriced and only a few of their products are solid. but thats me and an opinion so don't get all torn up by it.

kevinm1981

Exactly, same product, less expensive.

negusjuda

i run aebs which in my opinion is better then both skunk 2 and blox but again its just my opinion and im running the p72 head so that makes a diffrence

EHondaJDM

Blox doesn't copy just any body. They are exact replicas of skunk products.

I personally didn't care for Blox for a while but after seeing a hatch na lsv with the head filled with blox internals run a 12.9 I've been doing some research and might invest in their products myself

egb18c5

if it continues to run the same time, for a long period of time (longevity) then maybe i will change my views towards blox

HAMSTERHONDA

i have had good experiences with blox products, but would def like to know a little more about the new manifold as far as power gains, compared to the other skunk and blox first gen..

Red_Army

i know, i figured you'd all get that i was still talking about their copies of s2.

put the two right next to each other. the only difference is the logo says blox instead of s2 pro series.

raverx3m

iTrader: (1)

so how is blox able to copy someone elses design and not get sued?

or any other company for that matter.

BeniRacing

Its not really something you could patent. I mean really what did they design that was revolutionary? They didn't create a whole new idea or method of doing something. It probably would be hard to defend in court. Hytech has a few patents for their anti-reversion pipes. Now that is innovative.