dragonfly2k3

Ok guys, ive decided not to turbo my b16 but instead to make it into an all-motor powere auto-x car. I dont want to make insane power or anything, just give the car some pep.
I currently have an obd1 b16a in a 92 hatch, the motor is bone stock on the inside with a Weapon R header and an AEBS intake manifold. The car is currently in need of a head gasket and timing belt so ive decided to mill the head while i have it off, i would like to not go too much more than .020 because from what i hear .03 is the maximum mill on this head with stock internals, which means that if later on i have to remove the head getting it decked would be pretty much impossible.
Ontop of a .015 to .020 mill which head gasket should i get, i am aware that i can get a factory honda and make it a 2 layer, is there anyone that sells a good 2 layer?
Any links for buying all motor parts?
My last question here is: Are cams required if running a milled head? I know everyone says you SHOULD do it, but do i need cams? I plan to add cams but am not sure if i will have enough dough, is this a necessity?
Thank you all very much for your time.

00Red_SiR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dragonfly2k3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Ontop of a .015 to .020 mill which head gasket should i get, i am aware that i can get a factory honda and make it a 2 layer, is there anyone that sells a good 2 layer?
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Yes there are 2 layer head gaskets available. Type "head gasket" into the search function and get ready to read the information you want.


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Any links for buying all motor parts?
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Hmmm....let me see, there's only the entire classified section... the for sale sticky's at the top of this forum....sponsor/vendor classified sections....and that's just here on this site. Just imagine what you could find if you googled stuff!


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dragonfly2k3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My last question here is: Are cams required if running a milled head? I know everyone says you SHOULD do it, but do i need cams? I plan to add cams but am not sure if i will have enough dough, is this a necessity?
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I don't think there are too many people on this site that actually HAVE to buy cams for their cars. It's been my experience that people buy cams because they WANT to buy them. Are cams required...no. Do you need to mill your head...no, but you are because you WANT to. If you don't have the money, simple, don't buy cams. If you want more real power and want to take advantage of a bump in compression and you have the money...you buy cams..simple. Be prepared to spend money on related things like valvetrain and tuning too. Once you start you have to do it right or there's no point in doing it at all.

dragonfly2k3

typical hater-tech post. Thanks alot. Also, on a side note, The question stated about the cams was a direct question about the ability to get the motor to run right with the higher compression with stock cams. If the higher compression on stock cams/valves is going to cause me to not be able to tune the car correctly then yes, i have to buy cams.

IntegraType-R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dragonfly2k3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">typical hater-tech post. Thanks alot. Also, on a side note, The question stated about the cams was a direct question about the ability to get the motor to run right with the higher compression with stock cams. If the higher compression on stock cams/valves is going to cause me to not be able to tune the car correctly then yes, i have to buy cams. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Your a expletiveen moron.. seriously, that man just posted you what u wanted to know with some honda-tech humor, search idiot, it helps alot **** i've even done informational threads on mill and cam timing.. tard take your " hater-tech" Posting someone else fagboy.
If anything i'd get gears.. ur going to have to compensate for the amount of head taken off.. but if u would have searched, you would have known that.

dragonfly2k3

good try expletive-face i did search. Nobody seems to have a definitive answer, there are those that say .030 is the max a b16 head can be milled and there are those that say you can mill up to .1. I also did not get a result in the search that said if i would deffinately need cams or not to tune the car properly. Either way you look at it trying to deny this as teh worst site on the net as far as bashing goes is a joke. I have never, ever visited a site that is worse than this. I dont think ive ever seen a single noob not get flamed, even if they have searched(which i did, with several different phrasings of the question, in both archived and recent)

IntegraType-R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dragonfly2k3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good try expletive-face i did search. Nobody seems to have a definitive answer, there are those that say .030 is the max a b16 head can be milled and there are those that say you can mill up to .1. I also did not get a result in the search that said if i would deffinately need cams or not to tune the car properly. Either way you look at it trying to deny this as teh worst site on the net as far as bashing goes is a joke. I have never, ever visited a site that is worse than this. I dont think ive ever seen a single noob not get flamed, even if they have searched(which i did, with several different phrasings of the question, in both archived and recent) </TD></TR></TABLE>
Reguardless of what you read on other sites who are jealous because people on here actually give a damn to test stuff out.. This site is a very good site for those who are willing to listen and take information.. Nothing is given out on a silver platter here chump, your given bits and pieces and expected to point it together, and if you can't, you dont need to be doing anything of what you plan on doing..
As For searching, i believe you, because i had to search quite sometime before i figured out the correct milling, but if you search my name you'll find a few threads about milling a head.. Importbuilders.com has some good info, as well as team-integra.net under articales on milling. I'd try and pm a few guys on here that DO work with heads..
Donf
Combustion
b19
kingsmotorsports
vteckidd etc etc find the guys who are well respect..There's a ton more people then what i listed....who are MORE then happy to answer questions..

00Red_SiR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dragonfly2k3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">typical hater-tech post. Thanks alot. Also, on a side note, The question stated about the cams was a direct question about the ability to get the motor to run right with the higher compression with stock cams. If the higher compression on stock cams/valves is going to cause me to not be able to tune the car correctly then yes, i have to buy cams. </TD></TR></TABLE>


What noobs on honda-tech confuse as "hate" is nothing more than the fact that people who have worked hard to learn things are not going to simply hand over easily accessable information without you being willing to work for it. How else is any noob going to learn anything? That's how we all learned, so consider it "paying it forward" and not "hate", we're doing you and all noobs a favour by making them work for information. They'll/you'll appreciate and retain more that way. When I look at some other sites, they may not appear to bash people but I can tell you that they also don't appear to have any knowledgeable people either. It's the blind leading the blind on those forums.

Now, if you read my reply again and get past what you consider "bashing" you'll notice I did answer your question in the sense that I did not come right out and say, "yes you need cams to make your car run right with that extra compression". What I said was IF you want to take advantage of the extra compression, buy cams". That IS the answer. Most performance cams for your engine use stock primary lobe pattern, only the VTEC lobes are really changed at all. So logically you'd have to conclude that if your car will run on performance cams ok, it should also run on stock cams ok. The difference is that it will make more power on performance cams....see where this is going?

I also told you that you should look into valvetrain if you get cams and that's more $$. You will also need to be able to tune so you'll at least need a VAFC but something like Chrome, Neptune Hondata etc is better and you will get better gains from all the mods you have made. You can see how things are starting to get expensive right? That's how it goes, it pays to play so if you don't have the money, bump your compression if you want but don't expect much in noticible gains. Yes your car will run right, might need a little more fuel. You'll also need to remove a total of about .040" (thou) from the head or headgasket or combination of both before you'll need to use cam gears to correct for the milling (1 cam degree correction).

You got mad because people wouldn't give you an easy answer FAST. What you should be doing is searching this site and reading as much as you can. The serch function can be a little tricky at first but you will get use to "playing" with it. It takes time to learn so be willing to put in the time or be prepared to be "bashed".

dragonfly2k3

Believe it or not i have trolled this site for over a year now and i just hate when you see nothing but the typical witty replies and all around ***-hatted ness. I understand it is the internet, and i understand people dont want to give up easy answers. All i really needed was what type-r posted, a few names of people who i can search for. I am not too familiar with who is good at this stuff yet. Also, i understand i will need a valve train. However, if only the v-tec lobes are change that leads me to believe that while i may be able to get teh perfect cruising tune below 5800 with vtec engaged it may be a little more tricky. This is not my first modded honda, and trust me, it deffinately pays to play. I was simply un-aware of a few things in the higher compression world. I have a couple of boosted cars now with lower compression and its not terribly hard to adjust for low c/r with just electronic timing adjustments. Do either if you guys know anyone who has done any build threads/testing on all-motor b16s in the general realm of what im trying to do. Also, you guys both mentioned gearing, i do plan to try to get a shorter final drive for my b16 trans. When purchasing the final drive, does it matter that i am lsd?

Boots

visit vadriven.com and start running your mouth...bet you'll think it makes honda-tech look like an after school special...clean the sand out of your vagina and move on

dragonfly2k3

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probably not. Ive got no sand in my vagina and am a member of several boards. As a whole honda-tech is the quickest to jump down someones throat, it is also full of the most useless nonsense.

wed3k

what ive learned in the past is that you just gotta know your role.

you could have asked someone from napa auto parts and they would have answered your questions. these questions are actually very generic and not honda-specified.