95skunkedgsr

I wanna know now lol

95skunkedgsr

I mean I know who it's about but don't know full details lol

Chugger

machinest ive got some cams
pro 3's
4 diff roller profiles too

REAL!ST1

Besides from those couple of posts, I think there are some interested people including me. What I would have prefer is if you went more into depth on your heads and the cams. What's the difference with head A from head B and head C? List the actual VJ profiles so everyone will know what will work better if they was to have options in their area. Sizes of cams and even .00x increments while measuring the cams to show the people how the cam is performing via a graph. But to each of his own, good luck on your testing.

Mach1n1st

I will when I get to work on Monday. I just hate it when people go straight to mocking and bashing only from lack of details.

Charlie Moua

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i'll start a new thread then.






my hats off to you for using your time/resources for testing... it's noble and useful for everyone in the community. So long as the tests are done ethicically there's nothing other should trip about. Don't let the haters stop you from doing your own thang.

Charlie

vtecmasta85

Its considered drama because you are naive and dont know what we're talking about. Its not drama trust me, it's not.

bigG

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If it does not pertain to the thread and it's just a smart *** comment, then yes it's just drama. If we want to act like adults and share relevant information (which the forum is for), then we can stop being "naive". Till then you guys need to stop destroying these threads with your attitudes.

ej1b18c1

^^Agree. Always the same people that are bitter for some reason.

Natural Aspirations

For the most part folks are not bitter, there will always be a few. What irritates the rest of us is the blatant misrepresentation of said "custom" camshafts that are being produced by a number of different folks. If you truly knew what was involved with designing a single lobe, let alone 6 separate lobe profiles for each camshaft you would realize it's unrealistic.

The finger follower cams that the B/H heads use are VERY complex to model you cannot simply add duration to the camshaft and expect the valve to react in the same manor, the rockers have an variable effective rocker ratio. What you are getting is an "educated" adjustment on an existing cam master that may have not ever been designed for your specific engine. (Not that it cannot work well). Most if these cam grinding houses (Web/Delta/etc) copy every new camshaft that comes through the door to build a catalog of camshaft profiles, by the time this makes it to you your getting a Copy of a Copy of a Copy (Original/Master/Your camshaft) try recording from a DVD to a VCR it a VCR and you will see what your getting is of poor quality.

This post was intentionally left without detail to show no favoritism.

TheToaster

iTrader: (1)

You know, it's amazing with the size of the crowd, and the sheer amount of exposure with the different parts that there is still so much debate.

There is little to no evidence of honest analytical testing of Honda Parts.

Why do you guys think your opinions are so valuable. Moreso than test results?

Why would you shoot him down? After already doing more than your lazy *** does?

It's about damn time an intelligent, kind-hearted man "Pushes the pencil" and shares.

Science isn't worth a thing if you don't prove it, or share it.

As NA's sig so nicely says "One test result is worth one thousand expert opinions."

vtecmasta85

There are a few who knows quite a bit of what's going on, actual fact not opinion. We have sources and we read in between the lines so that's where our input comes from.

Anyway, what the first head you plan to test? What valve job are you goin to test? Do you mind sharing what you like personally angle and length wise?

93egSLEEPER

That's exactly what it is. A dick measuring contest. A soap opera. Keep that **** out of people threads. Go to GDD and bitch at each other. This guy is making an INFORMATIONAL THREAD, which rarely happens anymore, and these guys all pull down their pants and start pissing on it. I know exactly what you are talking about. In fact I sent the thread to Real!st..
Keep the personal issues out of here. It's getting old...FAST

vtecmasta85

Im sure you dont know since you keep thinking m22x is small and you're wanting to buy dd tech cams just because everyone else is buying them. You got mad because flew by you put on blast and he had a very good point, now you're trying to give me advice? If the OP tells me to chill i will, but you arent anyone to tell me so. Keep being a cheerleader being a follower. Measure dicks? Extreme suspect there. I dont need to be bottle fed or need hand holding. Im tired of the lame misinfo on here as i started not to say anything, but people say "put some dd tech cams/reapers in it" when thats not even wise. Also what appears to work for some wont work for every motor, but that's the perception people are starting to get ever since Jason's motor and that thread.

Doesn't matter what OP chooses as long as he's satisfied that is what matters. I hope he doesn't take this as a "pissing contest" but take this as an eye opener so to speak. Dan hit it right on the head about what's going on. I don't put others down or discredit people's setup because I haven't seen it done. I also dont bash other's choice of cams or claim that RM is better than such and such.

93egSLEEPER

I'm not giving you any advice. I'm TELLING you guys to cut the **** out so we don't have to sift through the BS. Did I once address you with advice in here? I don't think my post was directed at anyone, just a generic cut it out it's getting old. Only the guilty get defensive...
I've never once said "throw reapers in it" and I am talking about DDtech vs. my M22's for comparison sake. If the 22's make more usable power and make me faster it's seimple, I keep them. I want to put some proof to the pudding. Isn't that what all this drama is about? Dyno and track numbers? I can either prove or disprove it, but you all get your panties in a bunch cause "I'm jumping on a bandwagon". Flew by whoever gives a **** his name is didn't put me on blast. He tried and when I reminded him how many times I've corrected his bad advice what did he say back? Nothing. I will build a better motor than him any day of the week. Period. Be it hondas or domestics. BUT I'm not going to make it a pissing contest and fog up a thread. Just stand my ground, prove my point, and move on. So stop taking this personal, I never once pointed a finger at you...
Everyone takes everything so personal and literal and is quick to start throwing punches. If someone wants an explanation or challenges you its "stop being a bitch you're a baby and you don't know ****" instead of proof, facts and DISCUSSION like gentlemen. It's a playground in here.
I am reminded why I stepped away from this community for a couple years after my last car was ripped off and focused on my Chevelle, truck and house. Get on ANY truck or domestic classic forum and there is NO animosity, just mature discussions and if there is a personal tiff, it is handled outside a thread/forum and keep the drama down. Now I'll wait for the "then go away" remark I expect from the immature patrons of this site.
I don't have **** to prove to anyone. I am opinionated, yes but I don't claim to know it all or act like I do either. If I had a degree in engineering or something other than my bachelors in criminal justice/psych/law and business then maybe I would act like some of "the professionals" I know what I have, which I am blessed with more than most, and I know what I know. Not to mention I don't care what someone who doesn't know a thing about me staring a a computer screen thinks about me. I don;t lose sleep over this. I race for fun, not to make a living as most of this community does the same, so REALLY in the scope of things, unless you're directly effected by "a fake" then why get involved or stir the pot? Leave that to the professionals/companies who actually have something to lose.

eDm cRxXx

wow, if you are really able to pull of all that testing of different heads then this thread will get very interesting.

*subscribed

would off course be awesome if you where to do some testing with some big RM cams to, but I understand you can not test everything out there.

Do you know what intake and header you will be using? (might play a big role as of kind of port job/VJ works).

REAL!ST1

You're welcome, that was sure hard to read

Mach1n1st

Thank you all for the support on this large test. I am 100% completely unbiased on what I test here. I will test anything out. What are some combinations that are commonly used and what are some combos that you would like to see results on??? There will be constants of course like the tuning will all be in Aem cause that's what I have, id1000 injectors, the same 93 octane fuel will be used, valve train will be the same, and the same header until some real winners arise and then find the best header for the combo. I'm looking for input on cams, intake manifolds and throttle bodies.

When the first head is in the car ill test all the cams that fit the smallest port the best first and then move onto stock cams, then onto swapping manifolds around.

The first head is the smallest and least tapered of the ports. The exhaust port is ".020" larger than the intake port. Please suggest test cams for this head.

Static compression is 12.7:1 89mm stroke 84mm bore.

Valve job is as follows
Intake:
6mm radius unshrouding
30• .070 width
45•.039
60•.090
80• throat cutter

Exhaust
6mm radius unshrouding
30•.070
45•.059
60•.090
8mm radius seat

F22Master

All heads using stock combustion chambers?

95skunkedgsr

Machinest if you Acualy go through with this full series of test it will be nice to see and good tech topic

vtecmasta85

Throat angle looks stock width.

MuAsTeR

can't wait to see the different results

Mach1n1st

All opened up to bore size

F22Master

But no porting or valve unshrouding in the chambers on any of them? Leaving all stock casting/machining ridges untouched?