nein

the ones with DC5 vs DC2 were 2001 videos, i can't remember exactly which month they are cus i don't have them with me now.

WrongWheelDrive

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Ebisu circuit I believe.

I also have the BM where they run a dc5-r, dc2-r and an ek9-r on ebisu and the dc5 won by almost a second..

It also started in the back, because they place them first to last according to ps or hp.

TsunamiZC

Use a little common sense .

You cannot compare a DC5 MacPhereson Strut suspension .... Why?

because common sense tells you Porsche is RWD ...

the MacPhereson Struts are not placed over the drive wheels ....

That is handled by a sophisticated "advanced" double wishbone / multi link suspension ....

Evoluti0n

who cares which suspension is superior. I'm happy with the new Dc5r and I hope it comes to America soon Can anyone load up some more DC5r videos.

SDturbogsr

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TsunamiZC

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i bet that would'nt happen if it had a double wishbone suspension .... j/k j/k

deez sniderz

I own this video and the dc2's are more heavily modified than the dc5's. There's an uphill section after either the first or second turn that the dc2's are really pulling on the dc5's.

also, you dont need to be able to read japanese to know what kind of mods the cars have. if you see "ATS 1.5," they have an upgraded lsd, if you see something like "&^%#$#% 272/272" or something like that, you know they have upgraded cams, etc. etc.


Modified by deez sniderz at 4:41 AM 10/10/2003

EKen9

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hellz yeah that's what I'm talkin bout

sjracer

Well after all this time, i was able to finally watch the video clip. (My friend down loaded and burnt the clips onto a disk for me because my AOL connection is way too slow.)

It looks like Tsuchiya ("The Drift King") and Yamaji were driving the DC5R's, and Hattori and Kawasaki were driving the DC2R's. For sure, we can't blame the drivers for the DC5 losing, because Tsuchiya is a REALLY REALLY good driver.

I guess both DC2R's were the better modified cars in this race. You can tell by how they both pulled on the DC5s on the uphill.

Either way you look at it, it was a great race!

808dc2

*bringing this back from the dead*

Here's some info I found on the modifications to the Techno Pro Spirit DC2-<FONT COLOR="red">R</FONT> depicted in the previous B.M.I. video clip, although it may not have been this heavily modified at that time.






ENGINE:
- TODA Racing 82mm Forged Pistons
- TODA Racing VTEC Killer Camshafts
- TODA Racing Free Adjusting Cam Pulleys
- TODA Racing Valve Springs
- A'PEXi Power FC

INTAKE/EXHAUST:
- TODA Racing Sports Injection (Individual Throttle Body) Kit
- Techno Pro Spirit DC2 Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold
- Techno Pro Spirit DC2 Titanium Exhaust System

COOLING:
- Techno Pro Spirit DC2 Aluminum Radiator

DRIVETRAIN:
- CUSCO Type-RS LSD
- Techno Pro Spirit Close Gear Ratio Kit 2
- Techno Pro Spirit Lightweight Flywheel
- Techno Pro Spirit Big Capacity Clutch

SUSPENSION:
- Techno Pro Spirit RG-Spirits GORO Special Suspension Kit
- Bestex Springs (F: 20K, R: 16K)

BRAKE:
- Project Mu Brake Rotors
- Honda Integra Type R 98 Spec Brake Calipers

CHASSIS/BODY:
- SAFETY21 5-point Rollcage + Aluminum Side Bars
- CrowHouse Full Aerodynamics Kit
- Techno Pro Spirit Carbon Fiber Hood

INTERIOR:
- RECARO SP-G Bucket Seats
- TAKATA MPH340 Full Harness
- MOMO Steering Wheel

RECORDS:
- NIKKO CIRCUIT: 40"793 (S-tires)
- TSUKUBA CIRCUIT: 1'03"400 (S-tires)

SlipAngleX

in the video, one of the DC5 drivers keep wondering why the DC2's are faster.
'I wonder why the DC2's are faster? its only 1.8, it must be that its lighter'
Other comments were 'wow there, you're catching too much air!'
- 'damn everyone's fast'
- narrator about the DC5 thats in last 'Yamashi breaks the (racing) line in order to keep cornering speed which isnt too bad'
- DC5 driver in 3rd (tsuchiya) about the DC2' 'wow those things really turn' (as in less understeering?)
- DC2 about the other DC2, 'i feel that the other (DC2) takes the last corner better because it rotates better'


etc...

SlipAngleX

tsuchiya (drift king, in the DC2) also comments, 'wow these things are fast due to their light weight'

Mr.OB*GYN_Rhett

iTrader: (2)

techno pro spirit, love their theme

typesfanatik

where is the link to this???

808dc2

http://www.stageoneimports.com...s-dc2

Triscuit

hot *** cars Techno Spirit!!!

SWEETDUDE

Does anyone know where I can dowload archives of BM videos? Thanks!

ekferio

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I guess both DC2R's were the better modified cars in this race. You can tell by how they both pulled on the DC5s on the uphill.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i feel the same way, if tsuchiya wasn't able to come in 1st or at least 2nd second in that race, then the cars weren't closely matched in terms of power/weight. Looks like they were trying to prove tuned dc2r's can defeat stock dc5r's (assuming they were stock or light tuned in that race). Tight race anyways

slowata

Either way, they all sounded like complete ***. Looked pretty wobbly over lots of the turns...must be a somewhat older track with a worndown surface.

Ben

DC5RK20A

This video was made right after the DC5 was released in July 2001. All that was done on the DC5s were exhaust, S tires, and early suspension. The DC2s were pretty much full tuned, the TPS DC2 was pretty much that full modification listed above. The Spoon DC2 I am almost certain it was a stroked B18 to a 2.0. The whole point of the video was to see how an almost stock DC5 would hold up to a decently tuned DC2. Why do you think the DC2s started behind the DC5s at the start. They had about the same power, yet the DC2s were gutted out. The DC5s were pretty much showroom ready. The DC5s held their own pretty well for the complete difference in modifications.

Grin-T

Either way people, it was a great race.

I just picked up the lastest Hot Version VTEC CLUB volume 2 VCD here in Hong Kong (on holiday)

S2000s absolutely kick ****. Especially the J's racing S2000. Tuned NSXs have nothing on them.

George Knighton

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They must have done some testing to see what would be better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
McPherson struts have some advantages:

(1)You can build the car more cheaply
(2)You can either reduce the size of the car or give it more engine room
(3)You can redesign the crush zone for more metal and different dynamics, thereby theoretically designing a safer car in government tests.

However, in high performance applications on front drive cars, it is perhaps not an idea situation because the double wishbone setup is simply more resistant to road vagaries and bumps that will send the McPherson front drive car hunting for direction. That "hunt" is only 1/2 second long, but it is extremely disconcerting to the driver.

The 2005 DC5 Type S in the USDM has a number of small suspension changes designed to minimise the disadvantage of McPherson struts and I am impressed that Honda/Acura actually listened to high performance drivers and did the best they could with what they had to work with.

Some of the most modern Honda designs like the CL7/CL9 (USDM TSX and foreign Accord) and the USDM Accord are back to double wishbones. I've also noticed that the spy pictures of the 2006 Civic design show wide front wings that could be indicative of having gone back to double wishbones on the front of the upcoming Civic design.

If you own an EP3 or DC5, you shouldn't feel intimidated. The problems with the McPherson design would really only be evident in high performance and racing applications. Most of us wouldn't even notice. I have an EP3 as a daily driver and I don't have any plans to be rid of it.

If you're waiting for Real Time and Spoon to have the same racing successes with the EP3 and DC5 that they had with the DC2, howver, you can forget about it. Both of these teams either have or are rapidly moving toward the CL7 TSX as their race car of choice.

TsunamiZC

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
McPherson struts have some advantages:

(1)You can build the car more cheaply
(2)You can either reduce the size of the car or give it more engine room
(3)You can redesign the crush zone for more metal and different dynamics, thereby theoretically designing a safer car in government tests.

However, in high performance applications on front drive cars, it is perhaps not an idea situation because the double wishbone setup is simply more resistant to road vagaries and bumps that will send the McPherson front drive car hunting for direction. That "hunt" is only 1/2 second long, but it is extremely disconcerting to the driver.

The 2005 DC5 Type S in the USDM has a number of small suspension changes designed to minimise the disadvantage of McPherson struts and I am impressed that Honda/Acura actually listened to high performance drivers and did the best they could with what they had to work with.

Some of the most modern Honda designs like the CL7/CL9 (USDM TSX and foreign Accord) and the USDM Accord are back to double wishbones. I've also noticed that the spy pictures of the 2006 Civic design show wide front wings that could be indicative of having gone back to double wishbones on the front of the upcoming Civic design.

If you own an EP3 or DC5, you shouldn't feel intimidated. The problems with the McPherson design would really only be evident in high performance and racing applications. Most of us wouldn't even notice. I have an EP3 as a daily driver and I don't have any plans to be rid of it.

If you're waiting for Real Time and Spoon to have the same racing successes with the EP3 and DC5 that they had with the DC2, howver, you can forget about it. Both of these teams either have or are rapidly moving toward the CL7 TSX as their race car of choice.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hell yeah .....the best of both worlds. K-Series + Double wishbone......

spoon-ej1

Yea, didn't the Spoon CL7 win some 12 or 24 hour race o nthe west coast sometime 1 or 2 years ago?

I remember watching a quick webcast video on that.