2kgs-R

Okay well the story starts out like this, a couple of months ago I decided to buy a jdm 96 spec b18c type r motor. I had the help from a friend install the motor with in a week. The car felt great with this new motor swapped in, there was a significant increase in low to mid range torque which I love. (b18c1 lacked torque!)

Fast forward 2 months later, I got pulled over on 280, cop asks if I have any other mods to my car other than exhaust, and I said no. He tells me to pop my hood and notices my dc jdm 4-1 header with out a carb number. The cop got pissed and wrote me up for speeding and my header. (btw I was doing approx. 75 at 1am with not a car in sight, wasn't even in a hurry).


Ok well I did alot of research on if its possible to make a jdm type r motor legal, I couldn't find many people who have gotten their jdm R swap bar'd but many b16/b18c gsr's bar'd. So I figured if it could be done with a gsr motor why not a type r? below is a list of parts that'll be required to make a jdm type r swap legal into a integra chassis.

1. stock header

2. stock cat. (this will work better than an after market unit, plus you'll probably need the extra cat. material to make up for higher compression.)

3. usdm intake manifold (jdm doesn't have purge solenoid nipple)

4. purge solenoid

5. usdm type r ecu ( since my car is a 2k year model I needed a 2k year model ecu, which is obdIIb also I had to get my key programmed to this usdm ecu sine there is an immobilizer)

6. usdm obdII oil pump (the one with mounting brackets for the CKF [crank fluctuation sensor])

7. CKF sensor

8. usdm crank gear ( the jdm one has the key welded to the gear)

9. usdm obdII lower timing belt cover.

10. usdm vtec solenoid (the whole unit which mounts to the head with the 3 10mm screws, the jdm unit doesn't have an oil pressure sensor)

11. crank gear key

12. not a part but I was told that the jdm throttle body is different compared to the usdm throttle body. One major difference is that theres a thin semi long nipple sticking out at the top of the throttle body, I just broke mine off. Now it looks like a usdm model and I passed with it too.

here are some pictures to help you understand which parts I'm refering to in the list above.

Here is the intake manifold, the one on the right is a usdm spec model, the differene is the nipple next to the brake booster.


heres another picture of the usdm spec intake manifold, this is a close up of the nipple thats needed for the evap purge solenoid.


heres what the evap purge solenoid looks like Oh yeah you must use black hoses, I failed the first time because my hoses were clear


this is the jdm thorttle body which I passed with, you can see traces of broken or bent metal if you look closely, the nipple that was there on top of the throttle body I just bent off


This is a usdm obdII oil pump with CKF sensor on it, this is a must if your going to run an usdm ecu


heres the two crank gears, notice one has teeth so the CKF sensor can read the crank fluctuation helps prevent detonation better


heres the jdm crank gear, notice the key is welded to the gear, you'll need a new key


here you can see the difference between usdm and jdm lower timing belt covers, I think the jdm is equivalent to an obdI lower timing belt cover. The jdm unit is on the left


This is a jdm vtec solenoid unit, the top and lower portion. The usdm one has a sensor for the oil pressure, it looks green.


This is the end result of all the hard work




Modified by 2kgs-R at 1:58 PM 6/25/2004

Dogginator

You shouldn't have popped the hood without a warrent!

I don't see why CARB is so ****. They just need to run an emissions tailpipe test to see if the vehicle passes. They'll target your low pollution vehicle, yet a totally stock Caravan burning a quart of oil a day is legal. I guess they figure you have money.

Comp97GSR

Just an FYI.... that nipple on the t/b that you broke off..... that is what goes to the purge solenoid. Good write up.

esponet

if you have a 2000 integra you did not have to go to the refere. its perefectly legal to change motors between the same model and year. for example its perfectly ok for a 2000 integra rs to get a gsr or R motor. since it was ofered in that year model. but having non legal parts for your car. the cop might have sited you and instructed you to go see the refere.

btw plug the hole on your t/b so that you don't have a slight vacuum leak.
good right up. especially for you civic out there wanting to make a swap legal

2kgs-R

yeah but I needed it to look like a usdm throttle body so I broke it off, it runs fine the way it is. Someone advised I try that before I waste money on buying another throttle body.

Bbasso

Thats a lot of work...
Good job on making it legal and the write up.

B U N M A N G O

wait, so the engine itself is from a '96 R, but the ECU is from a USDM 2000? I always thought that the motor itself had to be the same or newer as the chassis? Anyhow, good writeup!

esponet

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B U N M A N G O &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wait, so the engine itself is from a '96 R, but the ECU is from a USDM 2000? I always thought that the motor itself had to be the same or newer as the chassis? Anyhow, good writeup!</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes but most refere station canot tell the year, unless its a usdm motor

2kgs-R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by esponet &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yes but most refere station canot tell the year, unless its a usdm motor</TD></TR></TABLE>

what he said.

I was sweating that exact problem, I was praying that they wouldn't be able to tell the difference, also the year is stamped on the head, but since I had the head shield on the header its hard to see the year stamp on the head. I think I may have over heard one of the guys say that the motor looked like a 2001. LOLZ state, one of them also tried to tell me that my ecu was a stand alone since it didn't have a sticker on it with bar code and the letters p73.

I was forced to goto the dealership, pay $125 to have them look at my ecu and give me a reciept saying its infact a usdm type r ecu, ******* dumbass wrote down p72. Good thing theres another sticker on the ecu on top of the plastic clip, you can see it if you remove the metal cover, which I did.


I hope this is helpful to whom ever might be in the same situation I was in, or to anyone wanting to bar their jdm motor swap. This is my donation to h-t.com.

Propulsion

were they so **** that they looked at all the details noted above?

which location was this, Im in the bay area and Ill make sure I don't go there

2kgs-R

you pretty much need all that **** so the ecu wont trip and throw codes, this is only the usdm ecu though, I'm going back to the jdm one, its almost like obdI.

The one I went to was in san bruno.

egotistic

i realize this post is from 2004...... but they didnt have the ckf bypass trick in '04? http://www.ff-squad.com/technet/ckftrick.htm

96BlackHB

No. The CKF bypass didn't show up until late 2007 or 2008.

egotistic

ooo ok... that explains it....

exotik4doorcivic

couldnt you have just put the heat sheild on the jdm header? it would have looked oem to the cop

irev210

yes, but once you get sent to the REF there is nothing you can do.

Best bet if you live in california is to rock a 96-97 JDM ITR exhaust manifold. It is cast iron like the USDM one but with a 2.5" collector, looks identical.

Stock exhaust manifold + stock intake or make sure you have carb #'s. Cops don't really care how miserable they make your life.

dcr96

This is a great write-up!!!!! and that wire trick is great!!!! this is gonna be super helpful when i try and make my JDM swap legal.

espanol

So with all the lame emission laws how do you drive a turbo Honda in California?

KaBlookie

Hate to bring a thread back from the dead, but the information here is amazing.

I had one question though...when running a USDM ECU, would it throw a code if you keep the JDM VTEC solenoid (w/o the pressure switch) so long as you don't engage VTEC? Here in PA I don't have to worry about any visual inspection, but since it's OBD2 it just can't be throwing any codes.

supre12

good write up

Si_chRis

It will throw a code when using a USDM ECU with a JDM VTEC solenoid. I tried it on mine right before I changed my VTEC solenoid to a USDM one just to make sure.