Type R for racing or street use...
06-10-2009, 07:12 PM
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Type R for racing or street use...
Well here's my ordeal...
A couple months ago I purchased a 98 ITR that needed some love... about 12k worth of love to bring it back to slightly better than stock.
Here's where I'm at... do I keep the car and have the outside painted... finish replacing every single last piece on the car that isnt perfect and in the end have a clean titled 99% oem and minty fresh ITR... that will be mild fun on the street and wont ever see a track day for fear of what it could do to the body work. Getting to that point will probably cost another 10k anyway.
Or do I just strip her down to the bare bones and make it a track *****?
I think that I would be happier with a race car... but I'm not sure. Type R is just not the car I want for day to day street driving, it doesn't have the straight line grunt for big smiles and it's very hard to take advantage of the cars handling and braking on the street without worrying about ohh... being arrested lol.
I'm kinda lost, the car is listed for sale right now but I'm really having second thoughs
Anyone?
A couple months ago I purchased a 98 ITR that needed some love... about 12k worth of love to bring it back to slightly better than stock.
Here's where I'm at... do I keep the car and have the outside painted... finish replacing every single last piece on the car that isnt perfect and in the end have a clean titled 99% oem and minty fresh ITR... that will be mild fun on the street and wont ever see a track day for fear of what it could do to the body work. Getting to that point will probably cost another 10k anyway.
Or do I just strip her down to the bare bones and make it a track *****?
I think that I would be happier with a race car... but I'm not sure. Type R is just not the car I want for day to day street driving, it doesn't have the straight line grunt for big smiles and it's very hard to take advantage of the cars handling and braking on the street without worrying about ohh... being arrested lol.
I'm kinda lost, the car is listed for sale right now but I'm really having second thoughs
Anyone?
06-10-2009, 07:18 PM
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I don't see how putting it on the track could affect the body so much. The beauty of an ITR is you can have both a street car and a track car. If i were you I'd try to pull something like that off..
06-10-2009, 07:25 PM
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I think that I would be happier with a race car... but I'm not sure. Type R is just not the car I want for day to day street driving, it doesn't have the straight line grunt for big smiles and it's very hard to take advantage of the cars handling and braking on the street without worrying about ohh... being arrested lol.
I'm kinda lost, the car is listed for sale right now but I'm really having second thoughs
Anyone?
Sell the R to someone that will enjoy it and use it as it was meant to be used.
Go buy a Vette, I hear they are on sale.
06-10-2009, 07:36 PM
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Re: Type R for racing or street use...
You are High. I have a 350HP(chipped) 135i, and the R, and the R is an awesome daily driver. The 135 is a freakin rocket ship, but the R is raw, road feeling, pure fun. And WTF is not straight line fun of a VTEC screaming at 9000 RPM? And how can Braking and handling get you in trouble with the cops? 0-60 in 4.4 seconds gets you in trouble.
Sell the R to someone that will enjoy it and use it as it was meant to be used.
Go buy a Vette, I hear they are on sale.
Sell the R to someone that will enjoy it and use it as it was meant to be used.
Go buy a Vette, I hear they are on sale.
Ahhh geez you know what, I dont know about where you live... but where I do, you dont want to bag any lowered cars on the horribly weathered and packed roads... and it's not like theres any CRAZY CHICANES OR S BENDS all over town either. The R isn't a daily as it is anyway,.... I'm trying to decide if it should go the show car restoration route or the track route. You cannot do both... if you think that is possible you are a fool.. there is a reason people don't track show cars.
I hate the idea of stripping and tracking an ITR when I could just go pick up any random EG and have the same kind of performance... I'm more wondering if people think I should leave the ITR in stock trim so hopefully 10 years down the road I will be happier having left the car as honda intended vs the amusement it will give me now beating the crap out of it at auto x.
Don't be such a hater.
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thats why im thinking of buying another R, this next one will already be stripped and i can just add the **** i feel is needed for me to go as fast as i feel needed.
doesnt matter what we think anyway, your just gonna get haters and useless opinions on a question like this. DO WHAT YOU FEEL YOU SHOULD DO! **** what other people think on this subject.
doesnt matter what we think anyway, your just gonna get haters and useless opinions on a question like this. DO WHAT YOU FEEL YOU SHOULD DO! **** what other people think on this subject.
06-10-2009, 09:05 PM
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1. I am not a hater, I have owned 2 Type Rs and 25+ other vehicles in my life and have found the R to be the most enjoyable to drive on a daily basis.
2. A Type R is not a "Show Car" and anyone who treats it as such is an *** clown. It is a car built with a purpose, that being a vehicle which can be mildly driven by your mom(or wife in my case), and which can be driven by you on any other day on the back straight of any given racetrack at 130 with little or no extra prep work. Thats why we have R Expo, you should go to one..Weekend autocross and Race/Track/HPDE is what Honda intended for these cars, THAT is the point you are missing (ask Realtime Racing, or goto the SCCA Nationals and count the trophied cars in D-Stock that are Type r's)
3. Good luck with picking up any random EG and having the same kind of performance without a big outlay of cash. If that were the case, Thieves wouldnt steal Type R's, strip the parts and install them in their EGs so they could keep up.
4. You asked for opinions, as your last word in your post was "Anyone?" If you didnt want opinions (which may differ from your own), maybe you should have said " Someone tell me I should make my R a Show Car" I would recommend you do that in the appearance forum though.
5. I live in Florida, we have Potholes (they are everywhere BTW, not just "Up North"). We also have flash flooding, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, salt air, hard *** well water, and love bugs. none of those things keep me from driving mine as often as possible. We also have a year round autocross schedule, events every month locally and 2-3 within an hours drive the other weekends. Those events allow you to drive it to its full potential. I have taken more than 1 R owner on a ride along at an event and they have said " I didnt know these cars could do that !"
6. I Track my Car, Autocross my Car, and DD my car, and guess what, it is immaculate. A Guy actually chased me down today in an EP3, rolled down his window and said " You dont see too many of those in that kind of shape" I get comments quite often on how she looks as she is 10 years old and looks better than most 1 year old cars.
7. My Opinion (Again): Show cars are Ghaye. Vintage or limited production cars at car shows are cool. Drive the car like it was meant to be driven, take it to car shows for other people to admire (they will, trust me). Take care of it, Treat it like it is the limited production, street/track car it is, or sell it to someone who will.
2. A Type R is not a "Show Car" and anyone who treats it as such is an *** clown. It is a car built with a purpose, that being a vehicle which can be mildly driven by your mom(or wife in my case), and which can be driven by you on any other day on the back straight of any given racetrack at 130 with little or no extra prep work. Thats why we have R Expo, you should go to one..Weekend autocross and Race/Track/HPDE is what Honda intended for these cars, THAT is the point you are missing (ask Realtime Racing, or goto the SCCA Nationals and count the trophied cars in D-Stock that are Type r's)
3. Good luck with picking up any random EG and having the same kind of performance without a big outlay of cash. If that were the case, Thieves wouldnt steal Type R's, strip the parts and install them in their EGs so they could keep up.
4. You asked for opinions, as your last word in your post was "Anyone?" If you didnt want opinions (which may differ from your own), maybe you should have said " Someone tell me I should make my R a Show Car" I would recommend you do that in the appearance forum though.
5. I live in Florida, we have Potholes (they are everywhere BTW, not just "Up North"). We also have flash flooding, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, salt air, hard *** well water, and love bugs. none of those things keep me from driving mine as often as possible. We also have a year round autocross schedule, events every month locally and 2-3 within an hours drive the other weekends. Those events allow you to drive it to its full potential. I have taken more than 1 R owner on a ride along at an event and they have said " I didnt know these cars could do that !"
6. I Track my Car, Autocross my Car, and DD my car, and guess what, it is immaculate. A Guy actually chased me down today in an EP3, rolled down his window and said " You dont see too many of those in that kind of shape" I get comments quite often on how she looks as she is 10 years old and looks better than most 1 year old cars.
7. My Opinion (Again): Show cars are Ghaye. Vintage or limited production cars at car shows are cool. Drive the car like it was meant to be driven, take it to car shows for other people to admire (they will, trust me). Take care of it, Treat it like it is the limited production, street/track car it is, or sell it to someone who will.
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Re: Type R for racing or street use...
1. I am not a hater, I have owned 2 Type Rs and 25+ other vehicles in my life and have found the R to be the most enjoyable to drive on a daily basis.
2. A Type R is not a "Show Car" and anyone who treats it as such is an *** clown. It is a car built with a purpose, that being a vehicle which can be mildly driven by your mom(or wife in my case), and which can be driven by you on any other day on the back straight of any given racetrack at 130 with little or no extra prep work. Thats why we have R Expo, you should go to one..Weekend autocross and Race/Track/HPDE is what Honda intended for these cars, THAT is the point you are missing (ask Realtime Racing, or goto the SCCA Nationals and count the trophied cars in D-Stock that are Type r's)
3. Good luck with picking up any random EG and having the same kind of performance without a big outlay of cash. If that were the case, Thieves wouldnt steal Type R's, strip the parts and install them in their EGs so they could keep up.
4. You asked for opinions, as your last word in your post was "Anyone?" If you didnt want opinions (which may differ from your own), maybe you should have said " Someone tell me I should make my R a Show Car" I would recommend you do that in the appearance forum though.
5. I live in Florida, we have Potholes (they are everywhere BTW, not just "Up North"). We also have flash flooding, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, salt air, hard *** well water, and love bugs. none of those things keep me from driving mine as often as possible. We also have a year round autocross schedule, events every month locally and 2-3 within an hours drive the other weekends. Those events allow you to drive it to its full potential. I have taken more than 1 R owner on a ride along at an event and they have said " I didnt know these cars could do that !"
6. I Track my Car, Autocross my Car, and DD my car, and guess what, it is immaculate. A Guy actually chased me down today in an EP3, rolled down his window and said " You dont see too many of those in that kind of shape" I get comments quite often on how she looks as she is 10 years old and looks better than most 1 year old cars.
7. My Opinion (Again): Show cars are Ghaye. Vintage or limited production cars at car shows are cool. Drive the car like it was meant to be driven, take it to car shows for other people to admire (they will, trust me). Take care of it, Treat it like it is the limited production, street/track car it is, or sell it to someone who will.
2. A Type R is not a "Show Car" and anyone who treats it as such is an *** clown. It is a car built with a purpose, that being a vehicle which can be mildly driven by your mom(or wife in my case), and which can be driven by you on any other day on the back straight of any given racetrack at 130 with little or no extra prep work. Thats why we have R Expo, you should go to one..Weekend autocross and Race/Track/HPDE is what Honda intended for these cars, THAT is the point you are missing (ask Realtime Racing, or goto the SCCA Nationals and count the trophied cars in D-Stock that are Type r's)
3. Good luck with picking up any random EG and having the same kind of performance without a big outlay of cash. If that were the case, Thieves wouldnt steal Type R's, strip the parts and install them in their EGs so they could keep up.
4. You asked for opinions, as your last word in your post was "Anyone?" If you didnt want opinions (which may differ from your own), maybe you should have said " Someone tell me I should make my R a Show Car" I would recommend you do that in the appearance forum though.
5. I live in Florida, we have Potholes (they are everywhere BTW, not just "Up North"). We also have flash flooding, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, salt air, hard *** well water, and love bugs. none of those things keep me from driving mine as often as possible. We also have a year round autocross schedule, events every month locally and 2-3 within an hours drive the other weekends. Those events allow you to drive it to its full potential. I have taken more than 1 R owner on a ride along at an event and they have said " I didnt know these cars could do that !"
6. I Track my Car, Autocross my Car, and DD my car, and guess what, it is immaculate. A Guy actually chased me down today in an EP3, rolled down his window and said " You dont see too many of those in that kind of shape" I get comments quite often on how she looks as she is 10 years old and looks better than most 1 year old cars.
7. My Opinion (Again): Show cars are Ghaye. Vintage or limited production cars at car shows are cool. Drive the car like it was meant to be driven, take it to car shows for other people to admire (they will, trust me). Take care of it, Treat it like it is the limited production, street/track car it is, or sell it to someone who will.
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Re: Type R for racing or street use...
1. I am not a hater, I have owned 2 Type Rs and 25+ other vehicles in my life and have found the R to be the most enjoyable to drive on a daily basis.
2. A Type R is not a "Show Car" and anyone who treats it as such is an *** clown. It is a car built with a purpose, that being a vehicle which can be mildly driven by your mom(or wife in my case), and which can be driven by you on any other day on the back straight of any given racetrack at 130 with little or no extra prep work. Thats why we have R Expo, you should go to one..Weekend autocross and Race/Track/HPDE is what Honda intended for these cars, THAT is the point you are missing (ask Realtime Racing, or goto the SCCA Nationals and count the trophied cars in D-Stock that are Type r's)
3. Good luck with picking up any random EG and having the same kind of performance without a big outlay of cash. If that were the case, Thieves wouldnt steal Type R's, strip the parts and install them in their EGs so they could keep up.
4. You asked for opinions, as your last word in your post was "Anyone?" If you didnt want opinions (which may differ from your own), maybe you should have said " Someone tell me I should make my R a Show Car" I would recommend you do that in the appearance forum though.
5. I live in Florida, we have Potholes (they are everywhere BTW, not just "Up North"). We also have flash flooding, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, salt air, hard *** well water, and love bugs. none of those things keep me from driving mine as often as possible. We also have a year round autocross schedule, events every month locally and 2-3 within an hours drive the other weekends. Those events allow you to drive it to its full potential. I have taken more than 1 R owner on a ride along at an event and they have said " I didnt know these cars could do that !"
6. I Track my Car, Autocross my Car, and DD my car, and guess what, it is immaculate. A Guy actually chased me down today in an EP3, rolled down his window and said " You dont see too many of those in that kind of shape" I get comments quite often on how she looks as she is 10 years old and looks better than most 1 year old cars.
7. My Opinion (Again): Show cars are Ghaye. Vintage or limited production cars at car shows are cool. Drive the car like it was meant to be driven, take it to car shows for other people to admire (they will, trust me). Take care of it, Treat it like it is the limited production, street/track car it is, or sell it to someone who will.
2. A Type R is not a "Show Car" and anyone who treats it as such is an *** clown. It is a car built with a purpose, that being a vehicle which can be mildly driven by your mom(or wife in my case), and which can be driven by you on any other day on the back straight of any given racetrack at 130 with little or no extra prep work. Thats why we have R Expo, you should go to one..Weekend autocross and Race/Track/HPDE is what Honda intended for these cars, THAT is the point you are missing (ask Realtime Racing, or goto the SCCA Nationals and count the trophied cars in D-Stock that are Type r's)
3. Good luck with picking up any random EG and having the same kind of performance without a big outlay of cash. If that were the case, Thieves wouldnt steal Type R's, strip the parts and install them in their EGs so they could keep up.
4. You asked for opinions, as your last word in your post was "Anyone?" If you didnt want opinions (which may differ from your own), maybe you should have said " Someone tell me I should make my R a Show Car" I would recommend you do that in the appearance forum though.
5. I live in Florida, we have Potholes (they are everywhere BTW, not just "Up North"). We also have flash flooding, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, salt air, hard *** well water, and love bugs. none of those things keep me from driving mine as often as possible. We also have a year round autocross schedule, events every month locally and 2-3 within an hours drive the other weekends. Those events allow you to drive it to its full potential. I have taken more than 1 R owner on a ride along at an event and they have said " I didnt know these cars could do that !"
6. I Track my Car, Autocross my Car, and DD my car, and guess what, it is immaculate. A Guy actually chased me down today in an EP3, rolled down his window and said " You dont see too many of those in that kind of shape" I get comments quite often on how she looks as she is 10 years old and looks better than most 1 year old cars.
7. My Opinion (Again): Show cars are Ghaye. Vintage or limited production cars at car shows are cool. Drive the car like it was meant to be driven, take it to car shows for other people to admire (they will, trust me). Take care of it, Treat it like it is the limited production, street/track car it is, or sell it to someone who will.
I disagree, it's no more expensive to build an EG that would keep up to or beat an ITR at the track, then it is to buy an ITR. EG is much lighter to start with :D
You live in Florida... you have no idea what bad roads are like... take a road trip to Canada then come talk to me
In regards to #7... the type R is a limited edition car... and just as much as those retards at BJ auction pay 5x more money for an original shelby 500 mustang... in 30 years that could be what's happening with Type r's.
Thieves don't just steal Type R's... they're just good targets because you know you're getting a C5, 5 lug , ITR seats, sway bars etc... where as with stealing a modded civic or GSR you don't really know what to expect.
I think you're a dink btw... very negative...
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Re: Type R for racing or street use...
Cheap track car ftw. You always have a chance of either wrecking it yourself, or having someone T-bone you. If you can do a cheap track R, go for it. If not, an EG or whatever would work just as well, if not better. I also think it's not that great of a street car, so I can't help you there. Torque on the street also FTW, and the R doesn't have it 
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I say continue with your plan of restoring the car bit by bit, but you can take it to autocross and hpde's and not risk damaging it. Just drive within your limits and have a good time. Why not enjoy the car in more ways then just one or the other?
06-12-2009, 04:13 AM
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Good thing I dont give a rat's *** what you think.
I personally think it is cool you have restored an R that was not well taken care of, I have done the same here by replacing pieces and parts that have seen better days.
But I still drive the **** out of it...Daily...
I personally think it is cool you have restored an R that was not well taken care of, I have done the same here by replacing pieces and parts that have seen better days.
But I still drive the **** out of it...Daily...
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Maybe ask this wacko on his opinion!
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its not worth worrying about. see. your already worried about what to do when the answer is right in front of you.
you can still build a bare bones r that people will respect and admire.
use common sense. buy good parts. pay attention to the details, be it rewiring the engine bay to remove bullshit or make it easier to access or fabricating a specific part. do your research and don't just throw **** on the car. make it a learning experience.
Another nice thing about having a track prepped car, is 90% of the time they look so rough no one will think twice about taking it. and only other motorsport enthusiasts will appreciate it for what it is and lately, those enthusiasts' opinions are the only ones that matter; as they have EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE. Its not a bunch of **** talking kids who think they're **** is top notch but if you ask them specifics about their fancy parts or why they have them, you get some bullshit roundabout excuse because they have NO CLUE. Both experience and knowledge help you to become a better driver, but thats MY parogitive, you do what you like.
wow, this ended up being a bit of a rant. sorry.
you can still build a bare bones r that people will respect and admire.
use common sense. buy good parts. pay attention to the details, be it rewiring the engine bay to remove bullshit or make it easier to access or fabricating a specific part. do your research and don't just throw **** on the car. make it a learning experience.
Another nice thing about having a track prepped car, is 90% of the time they look so rough no one will think twice about taking it. and only other motorsport enthusiasts will appreciate it for what it is and lately, those enthusiasts' opinions are the only ones that matter; as they have EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE. Its not a bunch of **** talking kids who think they're **** is top notch but if you ask them specifics about their fancy parts or why they have them, you get some bullshit roundabout excuse because they have NO CLUE. Both experience and knowledge help you to become a better driver, but thats MY parogitive, you do what you like.
wow, this ended up being a bit of a rant. sorry.
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its not worth worrying about. see. your already worried about what to do when the answer is right in front of you.
you can still build a bare bones r that people will respect and admire.
use common sense. buy good parts. pay attention to the details, be it rewiring the engine bay to remove bullshit or make it easier to access or fabricating a specific part. do your research and don't just throw **** on the car. make it a learning experience.
Another nice thing about having a track prepped car, is 90% of the time they look so rough no one will think twice about taking it. and only other motorsport enthusiasts will appreciate it for what it is and lately, those enthusiasts' opinions are the only ones that matter; as they have EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE. Its not a bunch of **** talking kids who think they're **** is top notch but if you ask them specifics about their fancy parts or why they have them, you get some bullshit roundabout excuse because they have NO CLUE. Both experience and knowledge help you to become a better driver, but thats MY parogitive, you do what you like.
wow, this ended up being a bit of a rant. sorry.
you can still build a bare bones r that people will respect and admire.
use common sense. buy good parts. pay attention to the details, be it rewiring the engine bay to remove bullshit or make it easier to access or fabricating a specific part. do your research and don't just throw **** on the car. make it a learning experience.
Another nice thing about having a track prepped car, is 90% of the time they look so rough no one will think twice about taking it. and only other motorsport enthusiasts will appreciate it for what it is and lately, those enthusiasts' opinions are the only ones that matter; as they have EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE. Its not a bunch of **** talking kids who think they're **** is top notch but if you ask them specifics about their fancy parts or why they have them, you get some bullshit roundabout excuse because they have NO CLUE. Both experience and knowledge help you to become a better driver, but thats MY parogitive, you do what you like.
wow, this ended up being a bit of a rant. sorry.
If that's how your car got to where it is, good job.
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Re: Type R for racing or street use...
take what eveyone has said as an opinion on what THEY think you should do. but do what you want. they just gave you ideas to keep you eyes open about things. but in the end do what you want.
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