Takata harness $340 !!!
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Ah...another harness thread. Its been awhile.
First off, the G Force belts for $109.99 are not Sabelt belts. I sell these, so I know firsthand. The camlock mechanism used to be made by Sabelt, but not anymore, G Force makes everything themselves. Great belt for the money, but it is not the same quality as a Sabelt, Sparco, or Schroth competition belt. It meets the same safety requirements, but if you put the belts next to each other, you'll definitely notice the differences between G Force and the others.
Secondly, Sabelt are not sold here in the US anymore. Sparco harnesses are made by Sabelt, however.
Thirdly, the sub strap on a 5-6 point harness doesn't do you much good if it is mounted incorrectly. If used without a seat that has a substrap whole in the base, the sub straps have to be run over the front edge of the seat. This is an incorrect mounting, and you can still submarine under the lap belt. Many people seem to forget, or not know, about this.
Fourthly, I Won't go much into the whole 3pt vs 4pt vs 5pt vs 6pt harness belt debacle, but certain 4 point belts are ok, namely those with ant-submarining mechanisms built in. Schroth is the only one that makes one of those. These type of belts are available as a factory option on BMW's in Europe. I still only recommend their use for autocross, unless you have a rollbar/cage in your car.
Lastly, I sell competition belts made by Schroth, Sparco, G Force, and Corbeau (yes Corbeau now makes a 5 point), and Schroth are easily the highest quality belts available. Schroth specializes in restraint systems, thats all they make, so I think they know their shiat. A lot of R&D goes into their products. You get what you pay for though, because Schroth are also the most expensive belts on the market. EDIT: I just noticed that Takata are more expensive
http://www.soloracer.com/harnessbelts.html
http://www.soloracer.com/harnschrothfaq.html
First off, the G Force belts for $109.99 are not Sabelt belts. I sell these, so I know firsthand. The camlock mechanism used to be made by Sabelt, but not anymore, G Force makes everything themselves. Great belt for the money, but it is not the same quality as a Sabelt, Sparco, or Schroth competition belt. It meets the same safety requirements, but if you put the belts next to each other, you'll definitely notice the differences between G Force and the others.
Secondly, Sabelt are not sold here in the US anymore. Sparco harnesses are made by Sabelt, however.
Thirdly, the sub strap on a 5-6 point harness doesn't do you much good if it is mounted incorrectly. If used without a seat that has a substrap whole in the base, the sub straps have to be run over the front edge of the seat. This is an incorrect mounting, and you can still submarine under the lap belt. Many people seem to forget, or not know, about this.
Fourthly, I Won't go much into the whole 3pt vs 4pt vs 5pt vs 6pt harness belt debacle, but certain 4 point belts are ok, namely those with ant-submarining mechanisms built in. Schroth is the only one that makes one of those. These type of belts are available as a factory option on BMW's in Europe. I still only recommend their use for autocross, unless you have a rollbar/cage in your car.
Lastly, I sell competition belts made by Schroth, Sparco, G Force, and Corbeau (yes Corbeau now makes a 5 point), and Schroth are easily the highest quality belts available. Schroth specializes in restraint systems, thats all they make, so I think they know their shiat. A lot of R&D goes into their products. You get what you pay for though, because Schroth are also the most expensive belts on the market. EDIT: I just noticed that Takata are more expensive
http://www.soloracer.com/harnessbelts.html
http://www.soloracer.com/harnschrothfaq.html
09-12-2003, 06:12 AM
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Re: Takata harness $340 !!! (ElKamino)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ElKamino »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I just throw them in my car around the Holiday to give the Red Recaros that Christmas feeling <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://rely.net/~htimages/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">
(I don't do the above and don't have a cage or harnesses, just felt like PWing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://rely.net/~htimages/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">
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you should get a % point deducted you damned PW!
-Dave, who, if he did order green dino belts, would order them from Dave or Mike and not hackspeed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What did Godspeed ever do to you.
$340 is a great price.
(I don't do the above and don't have a cage or harnesses, just felt like PWing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://rely.net/~htimages/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>you should get a % point deducted you damned PW!
-Dave, who, if he did order green dino belts, would order them from Dave or Mike and not hackspeed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What did Godspeed ever do to you.
$340 is a great price.
09-12-2003, 07:05 AM
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Re: Takata harness $340 !!! (CheezeFrog)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CheezeFrog »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd buy these and a 6-point cage over OEM belts and an "x-brace" anyday. Overpriced? How much is your life worth to you?</TD></TR></TABLE>
hehe, its next on my list. after turbo
hehe, its next on my list. after turbo
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Re: Takata harness $340 !!! (Brett@SoloRacer.com)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Brett@SoloRacer.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ah...another harness thread. Its been awhile.
First off, the G Force belts for $109.99 are not Sabelt belts. I sell these, so I know firsthand. The camlock mechanism used to be made by Sabelt, but not anymore, G Force makes everything themselves. Great belt for the money, but it is not the same quality as a Sabelt, Sparco, or Schroth competition belt. It meets the same safety requirements, but if you put the belts next to each other, you'll definitely notice the differences between G Force and the others.
Secondly, Sabelt are not sold here in the US anymore. Sparco harnesses are made by Sabelt, however.
Thirdly, the sub strap on a 5-6 point harness doesn't do you much good if it is mounted incorrectly. If used without a seat that has a substrap whole in the base, the sub straps have to be run over the front edge of the seat. This is an incorrect mounting, and you can still submarine under the lap belt. Many people seem to forget, or not know, about this.
Fourthly, I Won't go much into the whole 3pt vs 4pt vs 5pt vs 6pt harness belt debacle, but certain 4 point belts are ok, namely those with ant-submarining mechanisms built in. Schroth is the only one that makes one of those. These type of belts are available as a factory option on BMW's in Europe. I still only recommend their use for autocross, unless you have a rollbar/cage in your car.
Lastly, I sell competition belts made by Schroth, Sparco, G Force, and Corbeau (yes Corbeau now makes a 5 point), and Schroth are easily the highest quality belts available. Schroth specializes in restraint systems, thats all they make, so I think they know their shiat. A lot of R&D goes into their products. You get what you pay for though, because Schroth are also the most expensive belts on the market. EDIT: I just noticed that Takata are more expensive
http://www.soloracer.com/harnessbelts.html
http://www.soloracer.com/harnschrothfaq.html </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for the great info Brett, just when I"m looking into harnesses.
$340 for a Takata? What a joke. This must be the bling of harnesses: most expensive and not one of the best made harnesses out there.
First off, the G Force belts for $109.99 are not Sabelt belts. I sell these, so I know firsthand. The camlock mechanism used to be made by Sabelt, but not anymore, G Force makes everything themselves. Great belt for the money, but it is not the same quality as a Sabelt, Sparco, or Schroth competition belt. It meets the same safety requirements, but if you put the belts next to each other, you'll definitely notice the differences between G Force and the others.
Secondly, Sabelt are not sold here in the US anymore. Sparco harnesses are made by Sabelt, however.
Thirdly, the sub strap on a 5-6 point harness doesn't do you much good if it is mounted incorrectly. If used without a seat that has a substrap whole in the base, the sub straps have to be run over the front edge of the seat. This is an incorrect mounting, and you can still submarine under the lap belt. Many people seem to forget, or not know, about this.
Fourthly, I Won't go much into the whole 3pt vs 4pt vs 5pt vs 6pt harness belt debacle, but certain 4 point belts are ok, namely those with ant-submarining mechanisms built in. Schroth is the only one that makes one of those. These type of belts are available as a factory option on BMW's in Europe. I still only recommend their use for autocross, unless you have a rollbar/cage in your car.
Lastly, I sell competition belts made by Schroth, Sparco, G Force, and Corbeau (yes Corbeau now makes a 5 point), and Schroth are easily the highest quality belts available. Schroth specializes in restraint systems, thats all they make, so I think they know their shiat. A lot of R&D goes into their products. You get what you pay for though, because Schroth are also the most expensive belts on the market. EDIT: I just noticed that Takata are more expensive
http://www.soloracer.com/harnessbelts.html
http://www.soloracer.com/harnschrothfaq.html </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for the great info Brett, just when I"m looking into harnesses.
$340 for a Takata? What a joke. This must be the bling of harnesses: most expensive and not one of the best made harnesses out there.
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Re: Takata harness $340 !!! (Brett@SoloRacer.com)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Brett@SoloRacer.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First off, the G Force belts for $109.99 are not Sabelt belts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've noticed the webbing on the G-Force belts is much more flexable than the Sparco/Sabelt ones. Just an observation.
I've noticed the webbing on the G-Force belts is much more flexable than the Sparco/Sabelt ones. Just an observation.
09-12-2003, 08:26 AM
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Re: Takata harness $340 !!! (Brett@SoloRacer.com)
Brett: I agree with pretty much all you've said, but since this thread was from 2002 the $109.99 were not g-force belts back then. They were made by sabelt, with the sabelt name, etc on them. G-Force was not written anywhere on them. We still have one in the race car and it's held up perfectly throughout the years.
Just pointing this out since my suggestion about calling racerwholesale was from 11/02 and not 9/03
ITR Guru: As for godspeed, I'd rather not get into that crap again, but if you must know, you can IM me and I'll tell you I guess. Well, next week when I check HT again anyways.
Just pointing this out since my suggestion about calling racerwholesale was from 11/02 and not 9/03
ITR Guru: As for godspeed, I'd rather not get into that crap again, but if you must know, you can IM me and I'll tell you I guess. Well, next week when I check HT again anyways.
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Re: Takata harness $340 !!! (ElKamino)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ElKamino »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Brett: I agree with pretty much all you've said, but since this thread was from 2002 the $109.99 were not g-force belts back then. They were made by sabelt, with the sabelt name, etc on them. G-Force was not written anywhere on them. We still have one in the race car and it's held up perfectly throughout the years.
Just pointing this out since my suggestion about calling racerwholesale was from 11/02 and not 9/03
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the $109.99 belts are junk. As for the "Sabelt" belts that RacerWholesale used to sell for $109.99, I was told that those were not entirely Sabelt belts. The camlock was Sabelt, but the belts were re-webbed by RacerWholesale (and Sabelt logos restiched on?). Like Floyd said, if you put the belts you are talking about next to Sabelt belts sold for around $200, you'll see that the webbing is totally different. Again, I was just told this buy a supplier after I asked how the hell RW could sell $200+ Sabelt belts for 1/2 the price of the ones I was selling.
Just pointing this out since my suggestion about calling racerwholesale was from 11/02 and not 9/03
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the $109.99 belts are junk. As for the "Sabelt" belts that RacerWholesale used to sell for $109.99, I was told that those were not entirely Sabelt belts. The camlock was Sabelt, but the belts were re-webbed by RacerWholesale (and Sabelt logos restiched on?). Like Floyd said, if you put the belts you are talking about next to Sabelt belts sold for around $200, you'll see that the webbing is totally different. Again, I was just told this buy a supplier after I asked how the hell RW could sell $200+ Sabelt belts for 1/2 the price of the ones I was selling.
09-12-2003, 10:41 AM
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Re: Takata harness $340 !!! (Brett@SoloRacer.com)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Brett@SoloRacer.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the $109.99 belts are junk. As for the "Sabelt" belts that RacerWholesale used to sell for $109.99, I was told that those were not entirely Sabelt belts. The camlock was Sabelt, but the belts were re-webbed by RacerWholesale (and Sabelt logos restiched on?). Like Floyd said, if you put the belts you are talking about next to Sabelt belts sold for around $200, you'll see that the webbing is totally different. Again, I was just told this buy a supplier after I asked how the hell RW could sell $200+ Sabelt belts for 1/2 the price of the ones I was selling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Brett: As I said before when this topic came up, that is possible. The belts do exactly match "real" sabelts (which a friend has in his ITA car) exactly. They feel the same, look the same, hae the same tags everywhere, etc. Personally, until I see problems with them (and I do check them out every so often just in case) then they'll be replaced right away. I think they are 00 or 01 belts so they'll be replaced relatively soon anyways.
Brett: Have you ever seen/used the Isaac head and neck restraint? considering getting that if this SPU CRX ever gets done. Not a big fan of the HANS device and hutchins is a nutcruncher
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the $109.99 belts are junk. As for the "Sabelt" belts that RacerWholesale used to sell for $109.99, I was told that those were not entirely Sabelt belts. The camlock was Sabelt, but the belts were re-webbed by RacerWholesale (and Sabelt logos restiched on?). Like Floyd said, if you put the belts you are talking about next to Sabelt belts sold for around $200, you'll see that the webbing is totally different. Again, I was just told this buy a supplier after I asked how the hell RW could sell $200+ Sabelt belts for 1/2 the price of the ones I was selling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Brett: As I said before when this topic came up, that is possible. The belts do exactly match "real" sabelts (which a friend has in his ITA car) exactly. They feel the same, look the same, hae the same tags everywhere, etc. Personally, until I see problems with them (and I do check them out every so often just in case) then they'll be replaced right away. I think they are 00 or 01 belts so they'll be replaced relatively soon anyways.
Brett: Have you ever seen/used the Isaac head and neck restraint? considering getting that if this SPU CRX ever gets done. Not a big fan of the HANS device and hutchins is a nutcruncher
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Re: Takata harness $340 !!! (Vinnie paZ - JMT)
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Harness without something like this is ..........
Saftey First!!
Modified by Smitdog at 2:16 AM 9/15/2003
Harness without something like this is ..........
Saftey First!!
Modified by Smitdog at 2:16 AM 9/15/2003
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would they work on buckets?
would they work on buckets?
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smit dog, thanks for the concern...
dont be to quick to assume, i have a 6 point cage in my car...
asking if i can use a harness with oem.. debating if i should get a seat as well..
Thanks!
dont be to quick to assume, i have a 6 point cage in my car...
asking if i can use a harness with oem.. debating if i should get a seat as well..
Thanks!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vinnie paZ - JMT »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">smit dog, thanks for the concern...
dont be to quick to assume, i have a 6 point cage in my car...
asking if i can use a harness with oem.. debating if i should get a seat as well..
Thanks!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good deal, did not know. Just seems everyone wants to run harnesses just for the bling now a days. I would invest in nice seats that fit you to your likings, seats add so much when racing the car!
dont be to quick to assume, i have a 6 point cage in my car...
asking if i can use a harness with oem.. debating if i should get a seat as well..
Thanks!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good deal, did not know. Just seems everyone wants to run harnesses just for the bling now a days. I would invest in nice seats that fit you to your likings, seats add so much when racing the car!
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Re: Takata harness $340 !!! (STEALTHMODECOUPE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STEALTHMODECOUPE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey jsracing..ill be giving you a call FORSURE in 4-5 months to order a pair of those harness's and a pair of bride seats <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://rely.net/~htimages/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://rely.net/~htimages/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> those prices are awsome..how much is shipping on the seats?? thanks
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dopnt forget seat rails
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dopnt forget seat rails
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