white rocket

I will be installing the Fastline Performance shifter and Mugen bushings soon. Just took a look at this piece on A&J's site and I know nothing more about it than it reads here: http://www.aj-racing.com/catal...age=1

Did not find anything during a search either.

Not sure on a price but an email has been sent asking.

Anyone using this thing? Worth it or not? What do y'all think?

WR

Mugen Mike

Sounds like snake oil to me.

Black R

it's GOLD!!!111 or jdm bronze!!!11

Mugen Mike

Shouldn't it be blue or yellow or both?

ITRbroham

In other words, no one has experience with the Spoon change rod.

Amused

From what I understand, both the spoon Sports change rod, and the spoon clutch slave are for right hand drive cars only

white rocket

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Very good point .

Dr Pooface

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Lol. Is the spoon tranny and shifter RHD only too??? Too funny.

George Knighton

604.279.0329 &lt;--Just call and ask. They're friendly and very free with information.


I can't quite fathom why it would be for RHD cars only. I <u>can</u> fathom why a stiffer or heavier changing rod would be of benefit for people looking for that last little advantage.

Note, however, that if you're really at this stage of your car's development, you are in the last stages of your car's development, and you will have long ago passed the point of diminishing returns.

Reid

I have this piece on my USDM ITR. Anyone who said it is for RHD only is a moron and has probably never installed a shift linkage.

My first modification to my shifter was the addition of Mugen shifter bushings. My car has very low mileage and the stock bushings were in perfect working order. After installing the Mugen shifter bushings, there was noticeably less play in the shifter.

Then I installed a Spoon change rod in addition to the Mugen shifter bushings. I noticed no difference.

If you want less play in the shifter, get some Mugen shifter bushings. I would not recommend spending the money on the Spoon change rod.

Mugen Mike

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In other words, Snake Oil.

Reid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mugen Mike &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In other words, Snake Oil. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Perhaps if I had a high mileage car, my results would be different. I'll try the change rod on the JDM ITR later and report back. This car has ~29k miles, compared to ~10k on the other one.

Spikey

make the modification yourself

it's not hard

cut, and weld a piece of metal

Reid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spikey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">make the modification yourself

it's not hard

cut, and weld a piece of metal </TD></TR></TABLE>

Have you done this modification and noticed a difference?

Mugen Mike

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Perhaps if I had a high mileage car, my results would be different. I'll try the change rod on the JDM ITR later and report back. This car has ~29k miles, compared to ~10k on the other one.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have to say, have the USDM OEM shift rod with Mugen shifter bushing, both with 100,000+ miles, and I feel no slop or "mushiness" whatsoever.

Edit: Hi Reid!

Spikey

no, i had the spoon change rod as well

but when we installed it and saw it close up, we realized it's just a OE Honda rod with the end cut off, and a metal piece welded across for 'bracing/stiffening'

tried it on a single cam civic, DIY that is... seemed to be less sloppy shifting feel... shrug

Reid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spikey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, i had the spoon change rod as well

but when we installed it and saw it close up, we realized it's just a OE Honda rod with the end cut off, and a metal piece welded across for 'bracing/stiffening'</TD></TR></TABLE>

I noticed the same. I only picked up the Spoon change rod to try it out as it seemed as though no one else had tried it.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spikey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tried it on a single cam civic, DIY that is... seemed to be less sloppy shifting feel... shrug </TD></TR></TABLE>

Was this car also equipped with upgraded shifter bushings? I have a feeling that the bar may only eliminate "slop" that was already removed by the bushings.

white rocket

Interesting. Thanks for info guys .

Spikey

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I noticed the same. I only picked up the Spoon change rod to try it out as it seemed as though no one else had tried it.

Was this car also equipped with upgraded shifter bushings? I have a feeling that the bar may only eliminate "slop" that was already removed by the bushings.</TD></TR></TABLE>

same... i needed shift linkage and it wasn't that expensive so i just tried it

FWIW, i was using CTR dead rod, Spoon change rod, spoon bushings, and buddy club shifter. all together, the shifting feel was incredibly good. very precise, direct, yet solid feel. hard to describe until you actually try

i also tried swapping out each of those parts to see if there was any difference. obviously the most noticeable were the shifter bushings, then the shifter. the linkage itself... it's not significant, but it's hard to describe, but compared to your standard Si/SiR/GSR/Type R linkage, it feels more solid during shifting. it just feels stronger during shifting... you know how with some cars, when you shift gears, you get a lot of vibration and extraneous feedback thru the shifter that makes you feel like the linkage is fragile and imprecise... that's the difference i noticed using CTR/Spoon linkage versus your standard linkages

again, shrug... shifter bushings more important. spoon change rod, DIY if you want to try

the sohc civic? nah, no bushings. just DIY'ed the spoon 'stiffening'. seemed less sloppy... but if u've driven a sohc civic, u know how sloppy the stock shifter feels anyways

RagingAngel

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spikey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">....but if u've driven a sohc civic, u know how sloppy the stock shifter feels anyways</TD></TR></TABLE>

I resent that comment! The SOHC shifter is challenging....

...On a related note, anybody and everybody should get these bushings done at least, whether they are Mugen, Spoon, Prothane, ES....they really do make a marked difference as even the newest ITRs are likely getting near or over 5yrs old.

I use ES....but have recently purchased Mugen from Willard....I just don't know where I put them tho....