BEATurBOYS

What make a gsr greater than ls..i had a gsr and never really felt the vtec pop as most say..and i hat full titanium valve train and polished block..bought so i dont know the specs...


I want to build a b18b1 but heard it cant rev as high as a b18c1?

mouab18c1

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gsr are more for highend performance as for ls they are more for torque thats why they arent meant for high rpms...depends wat u like in this case

dapek

If you build it enough you'll be able to rev as high as a c1 easily but when are you going to need to be hitting 8k? Also you should not feel vtec pop and when people say "dawg my vtec hits so hard!!" they are complete morons, the trasition into vtec should be much smoother and if you are "popping" something is wrong haha What are your goals? NA/Boost?

DC206R

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GSR is Better for N/A. LS is good for Turbo.

NemesisCBR

Maybe be more specific about what youre asking cuz i dont think youre asking about stock comparisons. That should be obvious given you had upgraded your valvetrain so i would think you know something about your cars. If you give them an idea of what youre intentions for the car is then specific arguements can be made. When it comes to going fast, any can be built. Theyre just built in different ways to achieve speed.

BEATurBOYS

well i dont liek the quarter mile racing..i like the roling start kind of racing...[downing it as we call it]

thanks cuzz i never really felt it...i like n/a..

so like dx d series is better for turbo than sohc v?

i see what you saying..


i had a gsr eg hatch...

this is what it looked liek when i bought it...


this is what i did to it...


this is what it looked like before i stripped it and sold it...


it had a B18C1
titanium valvetrain with polished block..
chipped p28 [ssr chip]
dc sport headers and idk what kind exhaust...

vtec engaged at 4100 rpm
and there was no rev limit...

on the freeway i would be going 60 mph @ 3000 rpm in 5th gear

then down it to 2nd no problems.spin tires to 9000 rpm then shift to 3rd...chirp 3rd 4th and even 5th power shifting...

took all gears to 9000 rpms...

mouab18c1

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you mean autocrossing?

BEATurBOYS

idk? we just hit the freeways and line up at a even speed [usually 55 mph] then go for it...we have no trak here so the freeway is all we got...

seanbev24

so you mean dumb *** street racing?

bsampson

LOL...everyones not quite as mature as you...you realize everyone on here wants their car to go FASTER and half of them will never touch the strip lol

seanbev24

I just think there's a difference between modding your car for the purpose of racing and driving like an ******* on a public road. Maybe I'm way off base but I just think the OP's statement adds to the reason why people who love what we do get fu[ked with by cops all the time

laxflap07

well the dude is located in Hawaii so i think anythings goes, i understand driving like an ******* in NY but in Hawaii i don think it would be an issues.

and about your question; my gsr who to "pop" vtec now it just makes a loud noise :what:

xander1100

some of the best turbo builds out there (the 500 to 900 whp) integras have GSR motors. Over all i think an LS build will cost u a little less. either way i would suggest getting a GSR or ITR tranny, the LS one is crap.
then again if ur just going for pure HP and top speed on an empty freeway, y get an acura? find a cheap old muscle car or buy a retired cop car (one of the mustangs) and supercharge it.

GSR-EG-92

Whats so bad about a shorter stroke, oil squirters, balanced rotating assy, vtec system? All these things the LS lacks...

SidewayzSupra

Come to tulsa and go to the drags and tell me how long it takes you to run.
I waited about 3 1/2 hours to run the last to 2 times I have gone.You would be street racing too.

On topic.
I just bought a 94 GSR 2 days ago for 1,300. Straight body. Runs great.
But it does feel like my LS/vtec coupe pulls harder.

mouab18c1

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i've waited at our track in Spokane for about 2 hours this past fall just to run once...and imagine waiting four hours to run twice is hella lame...

and yes a stock ls/vtec will eat a gsr any day...yet depending on the driver...

goku28

If you want to make it fast, turbo is the way to go. Best bang for the buck. N/A is too expensive.

StokelesS_g2

I've always wanted to do a LS/VTEC, but why when I can beat GS-Rs with just an LS.

And that track crap, I drove 2hrs to get there, paid $25 bucks, waited all day (about 6hrs) and got to do 2 passes. F#%$ that.

There's nothing wrong with street racing, people have been doing it for generations eversince a automobile was made.
I live in the countryside now, if there's a long aZZ empty paved road, and if we wanna race, we race.

Wreckless driving now is a different story, and those are the real jackaZZes to blame.
They endanger people, other drivers, and just look like an aZZ doing it.

seanbev24

I agree with you completely there, the problem is it seems like there's more and more jackazzes these days

weavertime1

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Is this what Honda-tech has come to? The B18C vs. B18A/B is an age old question that has been around since god knows when. If I searched for it, there would probably be like 5,765,409,869 threads about the same damn thing...also I see more mention of street racing here than in the original Fast and Furious. Let's talk about something important guys...To the OP: WTF is a polished block...like you polished the outside? Other than that I have no idea what you are talking about.

BEATurBOYS

well on the street racing subject and i didnt mean for **** anyone off but here goes..

we had a track and back then i only had a sohc v..we paid $7.00 to get in and drove only 20 minutes to get there...when got in we would only wait 15 minutes at themost to run and got in about 6- 10 runs a night...depends how earl;y you went...unfortunately for us they closed the only track on the ISLAND! and taking a boat to the other island is to costly for the poor track conditions they have...so in short we wait till like 1 am when the FREEWAY is empty and use it to our advantage...we get cop trouble and the stereotype is real bad in hawaii but oh well..BUILD THE TRACK! before wasnt about hp and times but now the scene is more serious about that...before was about street credit..now all you gotta do is drive liek one nut and get street credit..so hp and times is a must to prove something...we have lots of teams in hawaii and lots of them have backyard builds..those are what we call the ANIMO's [animals] so say what you like but we are the ones who suffer anyways...i just want to build me a car again thats all..so feel how you want to...im in hawaii it dont matter to me...

xander1100

again most bang for ur buck: 3-7k for a retired police mustang, 3k on a superchargeror turbo. those things push like 600hp and are built strong as a tank already.
if your set on going integra and want high revs: GSR tranny and ARP fasteners.

jhammond_82

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nothing wrong with street racing huh? not to mention the fact that it IS illegal and people have died from wrecking. remember nick hogan? his buddy is still ****ed up from an accident where street racing was involved. if you go to youtube and search there are people that speak against it. crippled people, people that have lost loved ones ect... but hey if you want to street race thats your choice. just remember you always lay in the bed you make. i don't care how good of a driver you are, there's always a chance of something happening. maybe not driver error, maybe mechanical malfunction. but hey, don't take it from me. oh, and by the way, vtec does make kind of a pop noise with a skunk2 intake/ blox. watch some vids jack ***. and also, lock this stupid thread, and read the damn rules.

precisionsc54

No 1 picked up on the fact that he drops it into 2nd at 60mph? HAHA that answers all my question

weavertime1

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Have you ever tried to reallly buy a retired Highway Patrol Mustang? I can't believe they would even have them in Hawaii where the OP is from. I live on the mainland in Pa and we don't even have them. Second...those cars are FAT. They weigh anywhere between 3200 and 3800 pounds. Sure you can make 600 hp with a supercharged V8, but you better upgrade other parts as well (fuel system, clutch, etc.), just like you would on an integra, civic, etc. If you gave me 6 - 10k dollars to build a hatch I could easily get 400 - 450 wheel hp and in the 300's Tq wise and probably get into the low 11's or maybe even high 10's. Hondas are "fast" because of the old power to weight ratio. I threw down a few low 12 second runs with my K hatch that only makes 230whp and 170 tq at the wheels. This is because it only weighs 2300 pounds with me in it. Building a fast honda is still cheap IMO and worth it in the long run because not only will it go fast in a straight line, it will actually stop and turn at the end of the runway as well!

To the OP...The LS and GSR share a block of the same dimensions. The LS crank is set up for the use of longer rods, thereby making the stroke of the LS longer than the GSR. In a situation like this where the same materials are used in the making of both sets of rods and pistons, the shorter stroked of the two should theoretically "rev" higher. With a few changes the LS will rev just as high as the GSR (arp rod bolts are a good start) as evidenced by people running LS-Vtecs up in the 8K plus rpm range with just the addition of rod bolts(and obviously a Vtec head). Now here is where people often get confused. Just because you can make an LS rev higher wth rod bolts, doesn't mean it makes any sense to do it to a stock engine (the regular ls head). The B18B stops making usuable power around 6500 rpms...yes it runs past that, but I promise you are just making noise at this point. Now if you build your head and include a set of cams that will function in the higher end, then it makes some sense to run an ls past 7000 rpms. Back to the GSR...Vtec doesn't tend to "pop" on a gsr because of the intake manifold setup it has. The B18C1 makes more of a gradual switch to Vtec, but I promise if you have an air intake you will hear it, and also a header and catback will amplify it even greater. Who really cares what noise your Vtec makes; as long as it switches cam profiles you will be going faster. The B18C1 is a better platform to start with IMO than a B18B1. I've seen complete jdm B18B swaps in the mid teens for price and B18C swaps in the high teens to low 2k range. For the extra 500 - 700 dollars the GSR is the way to go. Also remember that you can change transmissions to make your car rev quicker. The itr and B16 transmissions have a very nice 3rd gear and an overall shorter gear ratio. This allows you to keep these little engines on boil. The GSR is a bit longer overall, and the ls is the longest of the B series transmissions (long meaning gear ratios). Good luck with whichever you choose!