92gsrsupercharged

i want to make a 250hp integra that can be a reliable car but dont want turbo i was thinking of supercharger any ideas of what i should do for motor setup??

92gsrsupercharged

im thinking of a b20 all motor

nate_2k5

you are not going to make a reliable NA motor that puts down 250

why do you not want turbo, but would go supercharger?

92gsrsupercharged

my bro has a turbo in his car and hes going thru motors left and right and idk about supercharger but is there anyway to make 250 hp with a b20 all motor setup or any other b series motor

CARMA_626

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B20/Vtec that is built correctly should be reliable and pretty damn close to 250 whp.

If not B20, you'll have to stoke your stock motor to around 2.0 or bigger.

92gsrsupercharged

thats what i was thinking of doing i found a thing on how to make them reliable

nate_2k5

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92gsrsupercharged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my bro has a turbo in his car and hes going thru motors left and right and idk about supercharger but is there anyway to make 250 hp with a b20 all motor setup or any other b series motor</TD></TR></TABLE>

the problem is not the turbo, it is the way yur brother is building them/lack of tuning

b20 is not a good candidate for that much power cuz you will have to buy sleeves either way for that much power

nate_2k5

a 250whp all motor b series is a marvel of engineering, you would need to sleeve it, bore it, stroke it, raise compression to 12:1+ and do a **** ton of head work

92gsrsupercharged

what do u sugest i do for a motor setup ??

JasonST

Just turbo ur teg, what do u have? an Ls or gsr? Both are great engines for turboing. It's all in the tune, eather one will get u 250whp reliably as long as u spend money to get a good tune.

Kyoto now

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The operative word here is BUILT. you can easily put together a reliable turbo set up, the key to making it reliable is the tune. Get a good manifold ( love fab tubular etc..) decent turbo, injectors, hondata/crome/neptune, and easily make more power than an N/A set up for a fraction of the cost, not to mention a **** load more tq. Read up on the FI forum (LST thread)

Blammo

H22

92gsrsupercharged

an ls

92gsrsupercharged

idk with the h22 if i do that should i turbo it too or can u make pretty close to that with just bolt ons


Modified by 92gsrsupercharged at 1:11 PM 8/21/2007

nate_2k5

you might make 200whp with boltons on a h22, and the boltons would have to be custom in most cases

CARMA_626

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The operative word here is BUILT. you can easily put together a reliable turbo set up, the key to making it reliable is the tune. Get a good manifold ( love fab tubular etc..) decent turbo, injectors, hondata/crome/neptune, and easily make more power than an N/A set up for a fraction of the cost, not to mention a **** load more tq. Read up on the FI forum (LST thread)

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If you're going to go turbo, to have a reliable setup, you have to build up the bottom end anyways. Essentially the same build as a n/a but just with lower comp pistons.

Add the cost of the turbo, engine management, and the likelyhood that something is bound to go wrong...ahhh...I'll sick to n/a.

92gsrsupercharged

im thinking b20 vtec i dont want to much i just wanna mess around with some lil civic and some gsr 's ill eventually turbo it what head should i use a gsr or the b16 head


Modified by 92gsrsupercharged at 1:24 PM 8/21/2007

nate_2k5

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92gsrsupercharged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im thinking b20 vtec i dont want to much i just wanna mess around with some lil civic and some gsr 's ill eventually turbo it what head should i use a gsr or the b16 head</TD></TR></TABLE>

FLAWED, boosting a stock bottom end b20 is like putting a stick of dynamite in the engine bay.

choose one or the other now, it doesn't work too well to go NA then switch to turbo cuz their concepts are different

frontwheelfanatic

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ls v-tec with 11.1cr on 6 pounds of boost

92gsrsupercharged

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FLAWED, boosting a stock bottom end b20 is like putting a stick of dynamite in the engine bay.

choose one or the other now, it doesn't work too well to go NA then switch to turbo cuz their concepts are different</TD></TR></TABLE>

im gonna run a b20 vtec for now i wana build a gsr and boost it in a diffrent car a lil civic hatch (race car) the b20s for my daily driver

nate_2k5

if you want something reliable for a daily driver why not just pick up a gsr block and build it with itr internals, problem solved

92gsrsupercharged

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how much hp will that make??

frontwheelfanatic

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depends on what header you run

92gsrsupercharged

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depends on what header you run</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is the header im running http://www.modacar.com/product....html

SlammedDC2

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you need to build it, tune it, and dyno it to know how much HP your going to make.

You can make 250 in a b18 without stroking, but the more power you put into a motor, and more aftermarket parts you put it in, the less reliable it is going to be.

If your planning on boosting something else later down the road why don't you just put some bolt on's on this car and leave it alone, that way you will have reliablity along with better gas mileage.

However a little searching and you will find all kinds of things on NA B builds. Check out the all motor forum.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CARMA_626 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B20/Vtec that is built correctly should be reliable and pretty damn close to 250 whp.

If not B20, you'll have to stoke your stock motor to around 2.0 or bigger.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You don't always have to stroke....
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