OGI8UUP

ok so im wondering how would you go about converting gsr 4 lug, to the iTR 5 lug.... and what would i get if i wanted to change to performance brakes... like.. if i would be able to get a 5 lug.. would i get the performance brake kit for the type r 5 lug or what??.. help would be highly appreciated...

BlueIntegraBoy

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You need the whole front knuckles with calipers and lines. Then you'll need the whole rear trailing arm (for the ease) with calipers and lines. Make sure that they are from a USDM ITR (because of ABS).

Another alternative is to get the 5-lug hubs and calipers because they all bolt onto existing knuckles and spindles.

For the performance brakes, I think 11" front and 10.3" rear is good enough unless you plan to do some heavy tracking.

OGI8UUP

so i can get the 5 lug hubs and calipers for a usdm itr and bolt them on the the existing axle correct??.. and what about for the back? same thing?

BlueIntegraBoy

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With the hubs part, you'll need to take off everything from your car and have the hubs pressed in. It will probably be cheaper, but a little more work than buying the whole knuckles and trailing arms.

Naruto

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Actually.......you really don't NEED the entire rear trailing arm. They are the same, all you would really need is the hub assembly. I was able to remove them from the itr trailing arms and put them on my LS ones. If you were to look at the back side of the trailing arm, you will see what I mean

BlueIntegraBoy

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Naruto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Actually.......you really don't NEED the entire rear trailing arm. They are the same, all you would really need is the hub assembly. I was able to remove them from the itr trailing arms and put them on my LS ones. If you were to look at the back side of the trailing arm, you will see what I mean </TD></TR></TABLE>

I heard the ITR trailing arms were thicker, could be wrong though.

Naruto

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I heard the ITR trailing arms were thicker, could be wrong though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not that I noticed. I had both sitting side by side because I was about to just swap it over. The both looked identical in depth, size, and ****, everything lined up though...so.... . I'll pm you with what I did.

OGI8UUP

thankss... very much appreciatedd

silentdeath12886

spindles in the rear are different size as well. if you are only looking to upgrade brakes fastbrakes.com has a kit for the front to upgrade the discs to 11" from 10" without doing the 5 lug. or just look for the whole itr assembly and get the ITR rear spindle.

OGI8UUP

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by silentdeath12886 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">spindles in the rear are different size as well. if you are only looking to upgrade brakes fastbrakes.com has a kit for the front to upgrade the discs to 11" from 10" without doing the 5 lug. or just look for the whole itr assembly and get the ITR rear spindle.</TD></TR></TABLE>... so let me tell you my situation... i have a gsr 4-lug... i would have to get the the whole front knuckles with calipers and lines.. and the rear hub assemby from the usdm itr... AND rear spindles from the usdm itr... thats what im getting from all of this.. lol.. and breaks.. lets say i wanted to get spoon or mugen ROTARS.. i would have to now get it for the itr because thats the only one they make 5-lug..... let me know if im wrong.. thanks..

mac_24_seven

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I've managed to misplace a file where I compiled info on a 5 lug conversion that would be BETTER than the ITR, not to mention cheaper.

Off the topof my head, you need:
Front:
11" rotors up front (ITR of aftermarket)
Mid 90's Acura Legend 2 piston calipers
Honda CRV Hub assembly.

Rear:
Prelude calipers/rotors
Prelude Hubs

I knwo I'm forgetting stuff, but I compiled this from mags and from online.. I'm gonna keep lookin and see where I managed to place my file at.


***Edit*** Found it. Here's the list of stuff first, then the compilation of info I gathered. Enjoy.

Front Upgrade Parts list:
CRV 5 lug Hub
ITR/Prelude Rotors/Accord V6 $100.00
94-95 Acura Legend Calipers (same as NSX)

Rear Brake Upgrade:
Honda accord prelude rear hubs will go onto the civic if you extend the factory stub axle with a screw on extension. An extension allows you to bolt on the accord/prelude 5 stud hub disc and calliper.

Prelude/Accord/CRV rear Hub: Prelude w/Bearing $141.00 Ea.
Stub axle extension??
Prelude/Accord Rotor
Prelude/Accord Caliper


http://www.gs-r.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5477

So you want more braking power from your integra without having to shell out $1200 for a big brake kit? Heres your chance to upgrade to a 11.1" disc with 2 piston calipers and bigger brake pads. So you have more fiction with the bigger pads, more clamping force with bigger calipers and more leverage on the wheel with bigger rotors, which makes for an impressive upgrade.

Ok first of all you need:

- 11.1" rotors - Brembo blanks redrilled from a prelude vtec(94-96), accord V6 wagon(96-97), or a Type R. I believe any honda 11.1" rotor will work(RSX-S, TL, etc) but Ive been told the offset isnt right and you would have to grind more from the caliper. You will also need to get the rotor redrilled to 4X100 in order to fit on the integra(no honda that i know of with an 11.1" rotor has the 4X100 lug pattern). I believe the new EP3 (only 02-03s I think) are a 11.1" rotor w/ 4 lug.

- Calipers - $120-200 depending on condition etc, the 94-95 legend GS 2 pistons work great, the NSXs are prettier with the NSX in the side of them, but they are actually smaller 40mm and 34/36mm pistons...depending on year model) vs the legends at 42 and 38mm. Ofcourse the ITR has the 1 piston setup.

- Brake fluid - $varies As always when you do your brakes(new pads or otherwise) you will need a bottle of brake fluid.

You will need to grind off material on the new caliper mounting bracket(no matter if you get the ITR, Legend or NSX calipers). I took an angle grinder to mine, but any sort of sanding or grinding tool should work. Grind the mounting bracket on the back side of the caliper(as seen in #2 and #3). You will more or less grind the lip off(that is circled on #3) so that it is flush with the rest of the bracket.

You can either bolt the Left caliper on the right side and the Right on the left, so that the bleeder nut is pointed up(its backwards because on the legend the caliper was actually on the backside of the wheel vs the front). If you dont do this, then you will need to place something in the caliper to hold it open, then go ahead and bleed it off before you place it on the car. Once it is upside down you will NOT be able to bleed off the air in the line because it raises to the top and the bleeder is on the bottom(thus your brakes will feel squishy).


http://hondaswap.com/hybrid-eg...18727/

This is using Australian delivered Honda parts- The v6 accord seems to have the exact same brake specs as the ITR and the Prelude VtiR.

I have recently up graded my stock 10.5 inch JDM SiR brakes for 11.1inch brakes off an Accord. The brake discs and callipers were the exact same as those of a type R integra. I just had to redrill discs and shave 1.4mm off the brake calliper mounts.
Well after spending 4 hrs in a honda parts warehouse I have these useful tips.

Honda HRV (mini SUV) front hubs (5 stud) press straight in to the honda civic knuckles and make the disks and calipers from the HRV (same part numbers as CTR/ITR) a bolt on proposition.

Honda accord prelude rear hubs will go onto the civic if you extend the factory stub axle with a screw on extension. An extension allows you to bolt on the accord/prelude 5 stud hub disc and calliper. Again the same specs as ITR.

Hope this helps people comtemplating the swap.

Most cost effective is to just bolt on the redrilled accord front disks and shave some off the calliper bracket (1.4mm).


Parts that are proven the same:
4th gen front knuckle - 5th gen front knuckle - 98 CL 4 cyl front knuckle
4th/5th gen front wheel bearings - 98-99 Acura CL 2.3 front wheel bearings
98-02 Accord V6 front calipers - 98+ Integra Type R calipers
98-02 Accord V6 front rotors - 98+ Integra Type R front rotors
98-02 Accord V6 rear rotors - 98+ Integra Type R rear rotors

Parts that are not the same:
4th gen rear knuckle - 5th gen rear knuckle
98 4cyl Hub - 98-99 CL 4cyl Hub

SETUPS:
lightningd - 5th gen
4th gen front knuckle
5th gen wheel bearings
98 2.3 4cyl CL hubs (Acura P/N: 44600-SY8-A00) (NOTE: comes with studs)
98 2.3 4cyl CL 10" Brembo Blank rotors.
5th gen calipers
Axxis Ultimate Brake pads
ATE SuperBlue DOT 4 Brake Fluid

zebro racing
Brembo OEM size cross drilled rotors
Steel braided lines

kapao818 - ??? gen
Stainless Steel Lines
Motul RB600 DOT Brake Fluid
Brembo Blanks
EBC Greenstuff Pads

Gennady - 4th gen Prelude Si 4WS
93 Prelude VTEC 11.1" Rotors
94 Legend GS 2-piston Calipers
93 Prelude VTEC 23T Caliper Brackets
93 Prelude VTEC 1" Master Cylinder

aero3685 - 4th gen
99 Acura CL 2.3 Hub
99 Acura CL 2.3 Rotors
99 Acura CL 2.3 Bearings
91 Accord Calipers
91 Accord Pads

Chris - 5th gen EX
5 lug conversion
94-95 Acura Legend dual-piston front calipers
94-97 Honda Accord rear calipers
98+ Integra Type-R front and rear rotors

GZERO - 5th gen
95-97 Accord V6 Rotors (11.1")
95-97 Accord V6 Calipers (came refurbished with brackets)
95 Accord Wheel Bearings

phatdoughnut - 4th gen (91 non abs)

99 CL front knuckles (minus ABS)
94 Prelude VTEC 11.1" OEM front rotors
94 Prelude VTEC 23t front calipers
93 Accord Ex rear discs
94 Prelude Front oem pads
93 Accord Oem rear pads (minus ABS)

Here is a document created by Chris:
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Single-piston brake upgrade:
OEM Honda front calipers from 95-02 Accord V6/wagon, 93+ Prelude VTEC, or 98+ ITR
OEM Honda 25T brackets
rotors for 95-97 Accord V6/wagon


Dual-piston brake upgrade:
OEM Honda front calipers from 94-95 Legend GS Sedan
OEM Honda 25T brackets, 28T with caliper may work too
rotors for 95-97 Accord V6/wagon


simple rotor-over-hub conversion:
OEM Acura 98-99 2.3 CL front hubs
rotors for 98-99 2.3 CL
pads - any options
Optional 94-97 Accord front wheel bearings


Single-piston brake upgrade with rotor-over-hub conversion:
OEM Acura 98-99 2.3 CL front hubs
OEM Honda front calipers from 95-02 Accord V6/wagon, 93+ Prelude VTEC, or 98+ ITR
OEM Honda 23T brackets
rotors for 98-99 Acura 3.0 CL or 93-96 Prelude VTEC
pads - any options
Optional 94-97 Accord front wheel bearings


Dual-piston brake upgrade with rotor-over-hub conversion:
OEM Acura 98-99 2.3 CL front hubs
OEM Honda front calipers from 94-95 Legend GS Sedan
OEM Honda 23T brackets
rotors for 98-99 Acura 3.0 CL or 93-96 Prelude VTEC
pads - any options
Optional 94-97 Accord front wheel bearings


Single-piston brake upgrade with 5-lug conversion:
OEM Honda 95-97 Odyssey front hubs
OEM Honda 95-97 Accord V6/Odyssey front wheel bearings
OEM Honda 95-97 Accord V6/Odyssey front knuckles
OEM Honda front calipers from 95-02 Accord V6/wagon, 93+ Prelude VTEC, or 98+ ITR
OEM Honda 23T brackets
OEM Honda 97+ Prelude rear hub/bearing assembly
front and rear rotors for 98+ ITR (rear is also 98+ Accord V6)


Dual-piston brake upgrade with 5-lug conversion:
OEM Honda 95-97 Odyssey front hubs
OEM Honda 95-97 Accord V6/Odyssey front wheel bearings
OEM Honda 95-97 Accord V6/Odyssey front knuckles
OEM Honda front calipers from 94-95 Legend GS Sedan
OEM Honda 23T brackets
OEM Honda 97+ Prelude rear hub/bearing assembly
front and rear rotors for 98+ ITR (rear is also 98+ Accord V6)

http://www.hondasociety.com/bo...21710

$200 for rear 97 prelude hubs (brand new)

$80 94 Legend GS front calipers left and right
$75 97 Prelude Front rotors
$65 98 Accord v6 rear rotors
$10 97 Prelude calipers w/ brackets ( traded these in to get my core back from legend calipers. And kept the bracket)
$140 Goodridge stainless steel brake lines
$10 brake fluid

00IntegrAllmotoR

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Good info

Some places like Passwordjdm sell the jdm ITR 5 lug with rims and tires. Its not a bad buy to get everything all at once.

Wendys or Bust

wow, thats allot of info, this should be archived

SilverDc2

the only difference in the itr trailing arm and non-itr,

1. the bushing is alot harder

2. the offset is different by 2-4mm i can't remember off the top of my head.

OGI8UUP

great info.. thankz a bunchhh!

845_dapek

does ctr 5lug fit on a dc2

Naruto

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gsrteggyflyin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does ctr 5lug fit on a dc2</TD></TR></TABLE>

From what I know, they should. They use 32mm axle nuts as opposed to the jdm itr that uses 36mm.

bg-33p

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gsrteggyflyin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does ctr 5lug fit on a dc2</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, but I believe it doesnt have abs.

845_dapek

so i would have to remove my abs

SilverDc2

thats not true, i put a ctr suspension on my integra the holes where there to put the sensor.

RotaryKing714

I know this thread is ancient and u prolly wont see this but I just wanna thank u 17 years later lmao