Currently I have stock internal itr. What do i need to do in order to produce 200whp.

currently I have icebox, arm, comptech header & skunk2 exhaust, 70mm throttlebody, hondata im gasket.

previously dynoed @ 182whp.

 

you need AT LEAST (not a guarantee) cams and engine management...

I made 190 w/ skunk2 stage 1's, hondata s200, and I/H/E, on a dyno dynamics dyno, which usually reads lower...

also remember, every dyno is different, as is every car, so there are no guarantees for xxx hp, and should be used more as a measure of improvement than as bragging rights.

 

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you finally changed your signature... but it still sucks.

what do you currently have done to your car?

are you asking this question because you are drunk?

did you bother to use the search function?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by misfit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you finally changed your signature... but it still sucks.

what do you currently have done to your car?

are you asking this question because you are drunk?

did you bother to use the search function?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i think he's asking questions because he got smoked by an EG.

 

Cams, cam gears, valve train, pistons, engine management and lots of tuning.

 

There are people here that have made that magical number with stock cams.

 

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i think he's asking questions because he got smoked by an EG. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yes got smoked & 50 ppl witness it.

 

my 205whp motor.
jdmitr, head was shaved to the limit, one piece headgasket(yes one piece), toda chiped jdm p30 ecu, vafc, toda spec c, and valve train. toda gears. rpm t/b (70mm) cheap ebay intake. dyned at 205whp 137ft of torque. sadlly i was too dumb/lazy and did not change the timming belt. when it broke it broke the vavle head of the stem and poke a hole on the #1 piston,




Modified by esponet at 8:48 AM 8/28/2004

 

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haha, that's a good route to go. call me crazy, i think he'd get a little more than 200whp with that

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by esponet &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my 205whp motor.
jdmitr, head was shaved to the limit, one piece headgasket(yes one piece), toda chiped jdm p30 ecu, vafc, toda spec c, and valve train. toda gears. rpm t/b (70mm) cheap ebay intake. dyned at 205whp 137ft of torque. sadlly i was too dumb/lazy and did not change the timming belt. when it broke it broke the vavle head of the stem and poke a hole on the #2 piston, </TD></TR></TABLE>

how much did you have milled off, and did the timing belt break cause of the age or cause it was so loose, and what do you think the estimated compression was you where running

 

old age.(i never replaced it from when i got it of the clip) i told the machine shop to mill it 30, but when i got the head, i noticed they milled all the way to the wear tabs, someone told meit was more like 50thousands shaved.
i think my c/r was around 12:1 if not close.(never realle cc it).



if you look at the head you could see the outline of the indicator


after looking at the pic, its #1 that took a chiet.

 

All you need is CTR Pistons and VTEC Killers and SMSP Header and Hondata Tuning.

 

and about $3K for labor/tuning and more tuning


and then more tuning


did I say tuning?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by esponet &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my 205whp motor.
jdmitr, head was shaved to the limit, one piece headgasket(yes one piece), toda chiped jdm p30 ecu, vafc, toda spec c, and valve train. toda gears. rpm t/b (70mm) cheap ebay intake. dyned at 205whp 137ft of torque. sadlly i was too dumb/lazy and did not change the timming belt. when it broke it broke the vavle head of the stem and poke a hole on the #1 piston,


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Wow, I'm surprised you had the ***** to mill the head by that much + run a thinner headgasker + toda spec c's..... What was your valve to piston clearance? And what was the maximum advance/ retard of the cams? I'm guessing you didn't have much room to play with there.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by esponet &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">old age.(i never replaced it from when i got it of the clip) i told the machine shop to mill it 30, but when i got the head, i noticed they milled all the way to the wear tabs, someone told meit was more like 50thousands shaved.
i think my c/r was around 12:1 if not close.(never realle cc it).

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.030 is to the stops. I just had my head milled .030 and it was flush with the stops.

 

Stock bottom end, cam it up, management or AFC hack, ITBs, there you go.

 

has anyone ever made 200 whp without upgrading the pistons and valvetrain?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by red civic standard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">has anyone ever made 200 whp without upgrading the pistons and valvetrain?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes

 

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If that's a Dynojet number, that's pretty typical of well thought out bolt on modifications.

If you buy cams you might live to regret it, and in order to get the right power out of them you will have to buy a Hondata or something similar, anyway.

So...I wonder if you don't want to get the Hondata and some cam <u>gears</u> and have it tuned with the OEM cams, first. Odds are that, like me, you will find another ten horsepower and a lot of dirveable torque doing this.

Still on stock cams:



At this point it's clear that adding cams will take me over 200; however, the car's quite enjoyable on the track and in everyday recreational driving just the way it is.

 

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Not very fond of the ITB idea. Everybody I know who's done it has lived to regret it.

The amount of fuel you use is unbelievable.

Aren't you sitting there w/Jack? Ask him about it. LOL...

 

Making 200 whp on a USDM itr bottom end is going to be a little hard.

1. JDM itr pistons & a 2 ply headgasket.
This will change your c/r from 10.6:1 to around 11.4:1

2. Aftermarket cams & valvetrain will be a must to easily break 200 whp.

I made 195 on my ls/vtec setup using oem ITR cams,
I can probably make 200 whp if I upgrade my header to something a little nicer.
Check my signature for more details.

 

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Not very fond of the ITB idea. Everybody I know who's done it has lived to regret it.

The amount of fuel you use is unbelievable.

Aren't you sitting there w/Jack? Ask him about it. LOL... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Nah, was with him yesterday.

Lens car was amazing. Kendall and Tonys hatch was amazing, on a AFC hack.

I might live to regret it as well

But i will part with you here somewhat, because they arent something the normal consumer is gonna have on a H car.

Cosmetic headgasket will help out a good bit, as well as the header you use, in your quest for 200

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by esponet &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">old age.(i never replaced it from when i got it of the clip) i told the machine shop to mill it 30, but when i got the head, i noticed they milled all the way to the wear tabs, someone told meit was more like 50thousands shaved.
i think my c/r was around 12:1 if not close.(never realle cc it).



if you look at the head you could see the outline of the indicator


after looking at the pic, its #1 that took a chiet. </TD></TR></TABLE>

sounds to me with a jdm itr and .030 off the head with a one layer head gasket, you would be running a cr of around 12.8-12.9 kinda high if untuned, i am thinking of milling .020 off my jdm itr and running a 3 layer with skunk 2 stg 2's, how high where you revving yours