Just did the H22 swap. After Turbo charging an F22 with 5psi. The power difference is huge. The H22 seam to make it's power at higher RPM's you need to rev out every gear just to keep up the power. This maybe alot of fun if you have a tuned exhaust system, but other then that, Not worth the money. Also very expensive I've spent 5 grand and still spending more.

Turbo charging the F22 was cheaper, quicker and I got alot more power out of it. Plus the sound of a blow of valve is nicer then a loud exhaust and high reving engine.

I will be boosting the H22 later, but for everyone who's having trouble making a decision between the two, just go with the F22 Turbo. When installed correctly and fuel managed right it will make more power and be just as relieable as an H22.

I had my F22 turbo charged for 1.5 years problem free just changed the oil, plugs and keeped 93 octane in the tank.

I am sure the H22 will make more power boosted, but I was happy with the F22 as a daily driver.

 

what about doing a f22b head swap? worth it?

 

5k good lord. what did you buy with the motor?

 

Well the Blocks are both 2.2. I guess if you know someone that knows how to build "honda" engines why not it fits perfectly. but then you would have to get the ECU for the H22 Head.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by abeaujuin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well the Blocks are both 2.2. I guess if you know someone that knows how to build "honda" engines why not it fits perfectly. but then you would have to get the ECU for the H22 Head.</TD></TR></TABLE>are you talking about sticking an h22 head onto an f22 block? someone in the lude section already did this...

i dont see why you'd want to... it would cost an assload and you wouldnt think you'd be able to rev it safely like with the h22 bottom end on it.

 

if u spent 5g's on an h22 u got screwed big time

 

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Definitely

 

You can't do a H22 swap correctly for less. Maybe if you did it yourself and didn't change all the vital parts while the engine is out. The going rate for the H22 swap is about 5 grand engine included.

 

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By vital parts do you mean pistons, rods, sleeved block, clutch, flywheel? That's the only way I can see spending 5k

 

Why wouldn't you want to change the timing belt, powersteering belt, Alternator belt, water pump, all oil seals, oil pan gasket, clutch lightweight flywheel, oil, filter, plugs, wires etc... while your doing this swap? To come back later to do it when it is harder? Come on. I did it the way it needs to be done not have assing it. F22 Turbo Less expensive and better.

 

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that is incorrect..

you can do a full swap, hell get a full fron CLIP for 2500-2600~

install isnt that long nor that hard.. if you pay someone MAX~~~ 600 buck~

that still puts you way under 3k. 200 bucks max on oem parts your chaning: so say at most 3500 now.. change your flywheel, clutch still only at 4k..

for 5k you could of done a full swap, with upgrade full valvetrain, cams, clutch,flywheel, header.. etc~

 

if you dont mind.. give us a complete item break down of what you paid and what you did? id like to see exactly what was changed and was done.

&lt; h22 swap for 1800 out the door..

 

you got ripped.

 

in what country? In this state 5 grand is the going rate. I would have love to pay less then that, but I didn't.

H22A Engine with P13 ECU $1900
H22 Tranny with LSD $1000
Timing Belt and water pump $210

Power Steering hose and AC lines $260 ( I choose to use the preludes AC because it has less miles on it.)


Labor $800
Spec Stage 3 Clutch $350
XACT 8.8lbs Flywheel $300
4 Seals $30
Mobile 1 syn Oil and Filter $45
2 Axles $120
Front mount inserts $25
Exhaust $ I rather not say.

Plus I had to buy little items from a local auto parts store like Power Steering fluid, gasket maker for the TPS.
Shrink wrap for the solder wires.

Still haven't installed the freeon that goes in the AC System that should be another bill or so.

More money, This is an expensive swap just for a little more power then a F22 VTEC.

Maybe I got ripped off, or maybe I got everything changed now so later on I won't have too worry about it. Peace of mind is always good.

I hope this helps.

Drag 4 turbo kit $2,500 shipped. Bolts right in for the exception of drilling a hole in the oil pan for the oil drain. 5psi 200+hp to the wheels. H22 166hp to the wheels.

Turbo feels and sounds better then this high reving ricer that I now am sorry to say that I have. No worries though at least I got to feel and say that I did it. I am now working on getting all the parts needed to turbo charge this H22 with the hondata setup. I am going for 6-7 psi. This should feel better then the F22 did.

 

Unless you got a quaife lsd, you paid too much for that tranny. So you paid 1900 for just the engine and ECU, no tranny? Labor is a little high too.

 

Yes I paid $1,900 just for the engine. Then later I brought the Tranny and got the one with the lsd.

In this state, when you purchased an engine alone without the tranny, they charge you more, then when you come back to get the tranny they charge you more. This is how they do business here. Don't know why. Same part. Thier reason for this is that is harder to sell them separetly.

Yes, I should have saved the money and brought it for $2,500 shipped at one time, but trying to save $2,500 isn't happening with me, and alot of others for that matter. I nibble my money. Candy bar here, Icecream there, go to the movies there, then boom no more money. I prefer to part my items out. So that way I know I need to get the others in order to complete my goal.

Did it with the Turbo setup for 8 months. While reading up on how Force induction really works. Worked just fine.

Please feel free to use this method if your strapped for cash.

 

out of curiousity, why did you take the turbo off and swap to H22 in the 1st place?

couldn't you have just gotten a new manifold for the H22 and used your old turbo kit on the H22?

 

After piecing out the turbo kit from Drag, and getting it installed, I started on a new venture the "H22 piece out". It took me about a year to get just about everything I needed to do this swap.

I would have installed the F22 Turbo kit on the H22, but the manifold doesn't fit and a new one is $500 from Drag. Since I have to buy more parts, I decided to do it right and get a Hondata system.

I had to buy the p72 ECU, because the P13 isn't supported by Hondata. The P28 doesn't open the secondary runners.I paid $300 for the p72 ecu.

I am currently working on getting the hondata system with the turbo password.
I have priced it for $290 for the hondata and $200 for turbo password.
I have decided to go with 440cc injectors. I haven't price them out yet.
it shouldn't be no more then $300 I figured.

Then I will need money to get the car tuned. $150 per hour

 

XACT 8.8lbs Flywheel $300

there is a wasted bill.. that thing goes for like 225 max.

the way you did it is fine, id personally buy the motor Long block: (1000-1200)
get the ecu from ebay or someone on here, many sell those all day long (75-150)
then the tranny, is 50-50. you got the lsd unit, not bad, but like mentioned h22 with quaife would of been just as good at the same price, but youd proballly have to have someone install it, so you actually did decent on the tranny.

why did you get new axles? you supposed or could at least.. use the accord axles, i ve never seen anyone switch axles?? unless its something to do with the lsd, you wasted money there~

 

Correctly doind an H22 swap it is more costly than doing a turbo kit. I am talking about doing the sawp right and not cutting corners. One thing I think that needs serious mentioning is the power band differences between the H22 and the F-series witha turbo. Like stated earlier the H22 needs to be revved up high to make power, the turboed F engine will start making good torque at a much lower RPM. For a street car I like low end torque earily.

Kteller8 - where are you finding the Drag 4 kit for $2600?

 

also, the F22 has long gears which is great! on the Highways too.

Bang for the buck.

I ordered mine from Dragturbokits.com I deal with Dave he is great! and well orginized. He understand that college students have a lack of funds.

 

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Kteller8 - where are you finding the Drag 4 kit for $2600?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Never stated that~

personally would never buy a drag kit!

 

5k for a h22/swap you must have gotten ripped off.

 

I paid 2200 for my 95 h22 w/lsd tranny and ecu. Water pump, timing belt, gasket another $500. Everything else is bolt in, wire up and play.

I agree with you on the drag turbo kit it a very, very entry level kit for someone who just wants a Blow off valve.lol my boy has a drag kit on his accord running 5psi and to be honest he trys to act like he likes it but after 4 mojnths he is not impressed and he's selling it ASAP.

 

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personally would never buy a drag kit!</TD></TR></TABLE>

you can get it for like $2700 at http://www.importparts.com