hey ya'll.... im new to honda-tech. im planning to turbo charge my 92 accord stick. i just wanna know whats da pros and cons. I already know imma gain power if done correctly, but what i really want to know is, well i be lossing anything? ex. a/c, power steering?? just wondering. oh and if any of ya'll gots any parts that i might need for my new turbo setup, please let me know. im not go ballz out, just sum homemade shitz. i also like to know how much i can safely boost. my motor has alot of mileage but always been running good. i've tookin good care of it.

I also need a new clutch. I need sumthing not very costly but reliable.

well i hope to get sum help. thanks in advance.

heres sum pix of my batmobile.

 

before you even think about turbo'ing...you need to do a tonnnnnnnnnnn of research. my f22b2 can hold 7 - 10psi safely...im not sure about your compression, but im 99.9% sure you can hold about the same on stock internals.

pros:
huge gains when done right

cons:
it will run you into the thousands of dollars
tuning the bitch will be expensive
maintenance
will take time unless you have 3k laying around

edit: if i said something wrong or left something out let me know!
a lot can go wrong if you cut corners

do your homework...save your money...get quality stuff...and have fun! just on 7psi it will feel like a completely different car. make sure this is something you want before you go throwing your money away....an h22 may be a better choice if your not looking for huge gains, and are just looking for something a little quicker and less maintenance hungry.

for the f22's..the most expensive parts will be the turbo manifold and engine management system (there is an alternative FMU that several people have used successfully...do a search on it)...those alone could run you well into $1k. i believe you can use the DSM log manifold...so your all set (good manifold ). if you want to build your bottom end you will be looking at atleast $1k for forged rods and pistons...to resleeve...i believe dan benson will do it for $950 plus shipping (do a search in the classifieds to get more info on this)...then you have your misc. turbo parts. most of which you can use from a DSM to get you going. for around $2 - $3k you can get a turbo kit, which should allow you to keep your A/C (power steering isnt usually a problem), but i personally would rather piece mine together (which is what im doing). you may have to drop the A/C but im going to anyway...too much wasted space

with whatever you choose...do your homework first...that is the most important part...besided the fuel management. with whatever you do good luck

 

hey.... thanks alot for you help and suggestions. i am doing a custom turbo. my cousin is helping me. he did his research and all. he did his mazda mx6 already. its running fine. he just need to install his clutch. he have a friend that can do the manifold welding and stuff. im just looking for a used turbo. my cuzz already order an FMU. im trying to get some pipings. im just hoping i don't loose my power steering.

Well..... i really asking around to see if anyone know of any place/body that have parts that i might need to build up my turbo.

well......... thanks a million madd.

 

go into the classifieds (forced induction classifieds) and search for parts...they usually have everything you'll need. you should still do a lot of research yourself..since youll be stuck with this thing and if it breaks youll need to know how to fix it or else get raped by a mechanic! check into all possibilies of engine management as well...at 7psi an FMU will probably rock, but when you start getting into high boost...nothing will beat a stand alone fuel management system good luck my man, and make that f22 quick

 

i think you should start out be reinforcing you engine...get it sleeved and then change pistons and rods...you dont want to build a sloppy project....now if you are willing to turbo with stock internals then make sure you buy some engine management like hondata or aem...that will keep you from blowing up your car.....

oh yeah one more thing...i think its better to do an H22 engine swap..i have a 92 accord with an h22 swap and its fast as ****!....laters

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type-t &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh yeah one more thing...i think its better to do an H22 engine swap..i have a 92 accord with an h22 swap and its fast as ****!....laters</TD></TR></TABLE>

turbo f22 will kill stock h22's any day...and cost right about the same...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type-t &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now if you are willing to turbo with stock internals then make sure you buy some engine management like hondata or aem...that will keep you from blowing up your car.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

you need to do this no matter what, even if you do build the motor...you don't just run an untuned turbo setup...

again, check out the dsm turbo setups...it's a cheap and easy way to get a turbo project going, and you can always upgrade from there...do a search and check it out...

 

i've been standing still looking into my engine bay.....doesn't appear to have much room.......for sure imma loose my a/c. darn......

if any of ya'll know how i can upgrade my f22 internal please provide me with some info. how where and how much. What i need to upgrade and stuff. my accord is 4th gen.

thanks for the opinions and info everyone.

 

well if you have read my posts then you should have a good idea. im not even gonna bother quoting what i said....but read and ive pretty much covered everything except specific turbo parts.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by khmer504x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've been standing still looking into my engine bay.....doesn't appear to have much room.......for sure imma loose my a/c. darn......

if any of ya'll know how i can upgrade my f22 internal please provide me with some info. how where and how much. What i need to upgrade and stuff. my accord is 4th gen.

thanks for the opinions and info everyone. </TD></TR></TABLE>


first thing you need to do is a compression test to make sure that all your cylinders are in good healthy order....assuming they are, you don't really need to build your motor to handle 8-10 psi daily...this will yield gains somewhere in the 220-250 hp area and 210-140 ft/lbs of tourque (it seems to be slightly different with everyone)...but regardless, it's the tourque that you will have fun with most, not necessarily the horsepower...power in the lower rpm's is much more accessable than having to rev to make power (i.e. the h22)...

you may lose your ac, you may not...it all depends...if you buy a kit, you may not...power steering should be retainable as it is the highest in the stack of belt driven accessories...a/c may not be, but it's not that big of deal...

 

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turbo f22 will kill stock h22's any day...and cost right about the same...

you need to do this no matter what, even if you do build the motor...you don't just run an untuned turbo setup...

again, check out the dsm turbo setups...it's a cheap and easy way to get a turbo project going, and you can always upgrade from there...do a search and check it out...</TD></TR></TABLE>


but you are no guaranteed to have a long lasting engine...f22's are good for boost but its very risky...i talking from experience..trust me..it will blow up sooner or later

 

a lot depends on the fuel management and tuning...hands down no questions about it

 

One thing to think about before you do any big modifications. Can you do your own work? On boosted car or a car with engine swap. You are gonna run into little problems that could end up costing alot if you cant fix yourself. Just something to think aobut before you jump into something. If money is not a problem then go for it. I know me not having alot of money i would have been screwed if i couldnt have fixed everything ive had problems with.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by matix &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One thing to think about before you do any big modifications. Can you do your own work? On boosted car or a car with engine swap. You are gonna run into little problems that could end up costing alot if you cant fix yourself. Just something to think aobut before you jump into something. If money is not a problem then go for it. I know me not having alot of money i would have been screwed if i couldnt have fixed everything ive had problems with. </TD></TR></TABLE>

indeed....i know of someone with an rx7 that should be putting out around 550hp, but he broke a bolt off in the exhaust housing....he said he could fix it...tryed to drill the bolt out and fucked it all up. and that was a year ago...the good ole rx7 is still in the garage point is, if you dont think you can do it...then dont try. its better to spend a little money to have a pro do it [take bolt out] then to spend a lot of money on it later [buy new exhaust housing, yay]. good point matrix.

 

I agree with madd... the tuning is a huge factor.

the iron sleeves in the f22 makes it a prime canidate for a cheap rebuild and moderate boost levels, with the appropriate tuning obviously.

So far I am having a blast with boost and the potential is huge. The gains in power are very nice. My clutch is feeling it though, and needs some help.

I only lost the a/c since I wanted a 3" dp, but I dont daily drive my car so it was not something I was planning to use much. Pusher fans were the only other sacrifice, but I already wanted them and the cleaner look underhood so that was cool.

 

I heard that f22 motors can use a mitsubishi eclipse exhaust manifold with some minor work..... is this true? would it be better to us that for my project? If any of ya'll have any info. can you let me know what year and model manifold am i suppose to use if could.


""""""" bRoKe cReW - sick kid

 

yes, with an f22a motor, the dsm turbo manifold will work, but you have to drill the holes for the studs...the ports aren't perfectly matched, but they are close enough i suppose...that setup is for a cheap turbo setup, but it does work...search for dsm f22...

 

well.......thats great. im not goin all out yet.... so this would be good for me..... i do have a h22a1. thanks a million for the info.

best regard,

-sick kid

 

correction f22a1 sir.. hahaha

 

HAHA...........ok....i guess my fingers were moving too fast.....dis must be
silly kid......... haha........

"" well here is my needed list for now. help me out if anyone can.

- 2g dsm manifold ( eclipse/ talon turbo manifold)
- t3/t4 turbo
- intercooler (Core Size: 22X6.5X2 Inlet: 2.25 Outlet: 2.25 Overall Length: 33) somewhere around there.......


well thats it for now...i need mroe stuff.......but i need more paychecks to cover them...hahaha.....


aiight den......out......
-sick kid

 

u can keep everything, u dont need to loose ne thing. ur engine will seem totally different.
do a compression check to see how things look, if things look good, then u'll be safe to turbo.

it not how much boost u can run, its more soo how much power u wanna run or wanna make. i'm personally going to take my engine to the 300whp level n see how things hold out, but i'm also on a F23, i plan on running as much boost as possible and see when the stock engine will fail, but that will happen after i get my spare block stuffed with rods n pistons & sleeve it, we'll see how things go, but i also plan on maxing out my t3/t4 on the built engine.

tuning.......that can be done by urself, but do tons of research, i'm on AEM EMS and have street tuned my car by myself to 10psi, boost will go higher once i get around to getting a 3bar map sensor, maybe 14-15psi.

but beware........this is a money pit! do planning and and shop around, u'll beable to save quite a bit of money.......patients and good things will come.........i got my Drag turbo kit for $2,000 shipped.....was a week old, but before i got it, i was looking for a turbo for over a year.

 

wow...thanks for the info.....

a question about the front motor mount with the dsm turbo manifold from elcipse/talon. can i use 2nd generation manifold? or just 1st gen? and what about the motor mount? i read sumthing about cutting into it....i don't know.... can you inlighten me in that part? a million thanks...


broke crew- sick kid.....

 

not sure about the motor mount, but i believe the 1g stuff is better than the 2g...not quite sure about the manifolds, but i do know a good mod for the 2g guys is using the 1g's blow off valve. if you crush it, i believe it can hold up to 17psi if not more. supposed to be a nice blow off valve for being stock (and cheap )

 

hey.....i forgot to asked.... how do i get a t3 or t3/t4 turbo to fit with th 1g dsm manifold? the 1g dsm manifold support t25/t28 flange. what kindda mods? what kindda steps would i need to take? thanks ahead of time.


broke crew
-sick kid

 

cut off the old flange and weld on a new t3/t4 flange

 

i am not sure it is possible, im not sure we are talking about the same manifold.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...68001

here is an ebay item of the dsm manifold. the same kind that i've been looking at for the pass month. doesn't seem possible to cut. i dont' know....i am new to this...soo if you can... please inlighten me. thanks.


-sick kid