In the next year or two we are going to see Honda yet again redesign their sports compact car the Civic. The Civic will be entering it's 8th generation of product lines.

Now many Honda tuners were not happy with the 7th generation civics. Namely the coupes and sedans with the D17a1 and D17a2 which were not very friendly to tuners what so ever. Now, even their so called performance Civic the "Si" was still not look upon friendly from a tuners stand point(performance and looks).

Don't get me wrong the average person finds no problems what so ever with the current civics. They are relaible, good on gas, and have the Honda quality that everyone seems to love. They also seem to sell pretty well (accept for the Si).

What I'm saying is if you look around just HT alone there are basicly no post on the current civics (i'm talking the coupes and sedans) like there were with the older vehicles. Of course there is good reason for that(no tuneability and no aftermarket).

I just find it odd that you see all these Honda commericals (Civic Nation) promoting modding your car and yet Honda makes the new powerplants almost usless (D17's). But than on the other hand they produce these incredible new K-Series engines, which make impressive numbers, but don't offer anything for the Civic other than the K20a3 in the Si which doesn't sell anyway.

What I would like to know is what changes would you like to see for the 8th gen Civic? Namely body, chassis, suspension, drivetrain? Also do you think Honda is slowly moving away from the Civic here in North America performance wise and concentrating on bigger fish such as the RSX? Or moving away from performance all together?

Either way I'm interested to see how the next gen Civic's will turn out.

And of course everyone wants a Type R but I don't think that will ever happen.

 

anyone have any pics?

i'm interested in this

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sijray21 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone have any pics?

i'm interested in this</TD></TR></TABLE>

me too

 

There arn't any pics yet. I was just asking what you want to see in the next gen civic, since they aren't "THAT" far off. I mean the ep3 is on it's last leg and its getting close to the time of the normal redesigns Honda does.

 

i have heard that the new si will not be a hatch due to the sale comparisons b/w the em1 and the ep3. Just a rumor. I hope this isn't true though, i need to keep the resale value of my car high . There isn't anything in particular i'd like to see, just interested to see what honda develops.

 

Personaly, I would be happy if they simply brought some of the Japanese technology over here, instead of giving us the shaft all the time. I mean a B16a over there is like a D16z6 over here (in terms of availability).

 

Its not necessarily a hard car to work on its just that much of the existing technology and r&d doesnt carry over from the 96/00 which means performance companys have to shell out alot of cash to redesign products for the new civics. Just wait for the next generation. I mean seriously the civic engine has been relatively unchanged from 91-2000, and many other components are nearly identical also. Makes sense from a business standpoint. If you only need to design 1 cam gear and have it work on any d-series civic for a span of nealry 10 years.... Just wait. If the demand is there then the parts will show up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by monicle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its not necessarily a hard car to work on its just that much of the existing technology and r&d doesnt carry over from the 96/00 which means performance companys have to shell out alot of cash to redesign products for the new civics. Just wait for the next generation. I mean seriously the civic engine has been relatively unchanged from 91-2000, and many other components are nearly identical also. Makes sense from a business standpoint. If you only need to design 1 cam gear and have it work on any d-series civic for a span of nealry 10 years.... Just wait. If the demand is there then the parts will show up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah I know what you are saying. The D Series motors have been relativly unchanged for the last 10 years. I've got a D in my hatch and my buddy has an 2004 sedan with the D17a1. I looked it over and it's very similar. This I know.

What I meant above was that I've been hearing that they don't respond well to mods a lot having to due with the ecu. Also a lot of things right now are custom, due to the fact that there are no aftermarket.

Why is there no aftermarket? Just like you said there has to be demand. Don't you think there should be at least a little interest in the 7th gen by now, I mean it's approaching the end of it's cycle. So that right there says something. I mean ppl are modding the K's like crazy, why would people stop with the D all together when it's been around forever?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by monicle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its not necessarily a hard car to work on its just that much of the existing technology and r&d doesnt carry over from the 96/00 which means performance companys have to shell out alot of cash to redesign products for the new civics. Just wait for the next generation. I mean seriously the civic engine has been relatively unchanged from 91-2000, and many other components are nearly identical also. Makes sense from a business standpoint. If you only need to design 1 cam gear and have it work on any d-series civic for a span of nealry 10 years.... Just wait. If the demand is there then the parts will show up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I totally agree, technology doesn't just develop overnight. The prices of the new civics are relatively high for any teenager to get their hands on and still beable to modify them in whatever way they choose. Point being, if 95% of us have civics of year 2000 or older then companies are going to put 95% of their efforts in targeting that market. Simply more money. [WannaYypeR]

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wannaTypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I totally agree, technology doesn't just develop overnight. The prices of the new civics are relatively high for any teenager to get their hands on and still beable to modify them in whatever way they choose. Point being, if 95% of us have civics of year 2000 or older then companies are going to put 95% of their efforts in targeting that market. Simply more money. [WannaYypeR]</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes I agree with you there. Money is an issue.

But look around. People are REALLY doing some nice stuff with the DC5's. They cost a hell of a lot more than a new civic does. It's also an entirely NEW platform and yet there is a fair bit of aftermarket available (K Series).

 

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Yes I agree with you there. Money is an issue.

But look around. People are REALLY doing some nice stuff with the DC5's. They cost a hell of a lot more than a new civic does. It's also an entirely NEW platform and yet there is a fair bit of aftermarket available (K Series).</TD></TR></TABLE>

You have a great point. I guess beacuse most people found out in the past 9 to 10 years the D series were basically ****, companies wanted to focus more on the top dog being the Kseries. In my opinion there will be alot more r&d once companies know that Honda will stay with the current motors that they used in 01-04.

The people that are doing great things with the DC5s got mounds of cash compared to us stuck with the 'classic' civics. If I had the money, I'd go with the type S as well. Might as well start out with the BIG powerplant instead of swapping it in later when they realize they don't have the power they want.

I don't know why they don't just bring in the damn civicR [wannaTypeR]

 

TNG?

 

Just to reiterate what I said before, there has a been a HUGE amount of people that started out with D-series or LS motors in their 92-00 Civics or Integras and ended up swapping in a B16, B18 , LS/vtec, or something similar. Companies probablly found out that it was a waste to develop and spend large amount of r&d on the D-series in terms of their company's expense because their is such a HUGE market for the almighty B-series.

No disrespect to any SOHC D-series hardcore tuners because yall have done some amazing things as well; just looking at it from a companies stand point. But hey, I could be completely wrong. [wannaTypeR]

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wannaTypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just to reiterate what I said before, there has a been a HUGE amount of people that started out with D-series or LS motors in their 92-00 Civics or Integras and ended up swapping in a B16, B18 , LS/vtec, or something similar. Companies probablly found out that it was a waste to develop and spend large amount of r&d on the D-series in terms of their company's expense because their is such a HUGE market for the almighty B-series.

No disrespect to any SOHC D-series hardcore tuners because yall have done some amazing things as well; just looking at it from a companies stand point. But hey, I could be completely wrong. [wannaTypeR]</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes that is true but remember all of us here at HT is a very small percentage of the overall population of Honda users. Many more people have D's in their Civic's than any other series. Just b/c a lot of us tuners swap doesn't mean many regular people do.

The D's do have a large aftermarket and they do have potential, despite what some of you might think. I like my D, but of course I would love to have a DOHC. But I decided to stick it out with the D for now since it's low mileage and would be a waste to get rid of.

But if you were to go on the street and pop the hoods of the average civic you sure as hell would not find many B's.

 

It really doesn't matter what we want in the next civic because we are not Honda's target consumer. The target is recent college grads, and young familys looking for a reliable, and economical car. And that's Honda's reputation. Sure they could build a turboed, 2.4 liter, awd civic. Fact is they would never sell as many, or make the profit they do now with the civic as it is. You may see an SI, based off the coupe again. I think they've learned their lesson creating a whole new model just for enthusiast with the EP SI hatch. They would of sold more just using the coupe, and the SI engine. It would cut production costs too not requiring a whole different shell, etc.

 

New Civic:

Okay, no matter what they do, we can all assume its gonna sell just the same just based on the fact that it will have a "civic" badge. I think the Civic Si hatch....well, yes, to quote looks like 'a EG combined with a refrigerator'. Its ugly thats for sure, but very efficient. I personally think the 2000 CIvic Si coupe is one of the best looking cars ever made, ever. The new civic seems to be less "generic" so to speak, being harder to modify. THe civic is kind of like the Accord, where you arent buying good parts, but a package. Its like getting a build computer (6th gen) to buying a Dell (7th gen). Dell, very nice, is hard to change at all; mine came with windows XP pro. I wanted my warranty, but got so ticked with Xp pro, I downgraded to Windows 2000. With all the engine modding, the best and simplest (minus computer wiring) is OBD-II. Its nice, a computer to run your fuel, and thats it.

I would like to see a more attractive body style, that we can all like, not this new prissiness as in the new sedan (hybrid) and si hatch. SImple, high build quality with generic type parts*.
EXAMPLE: d16y7. downpipe after the header (to which the cat converter is integrated) goes from the header to the muffler, pieces welded in.
d16y8. more user freindly, as a separete downpipe, cat, header, etc. SO when i wanted to get a header, i had to buy almost a whole exhaust system.

Asking for a easier to modify car from honda is like asking to just cut their profits and not offer any warranties. THey won't make it easier to modify, although at least its simple enough. My dad had a sable where the brakes intergrated into the seat, making the seats unreplacable.

I'm asking for no traction control, and no Electronic brake distribution. Stronger transmission woild be nice for the...um...D18?? my d16y7 tranny is weak, tough for a stock transmission, but taking a 7psi boost on the engine, she wouldnt like that.

With the new K engines, maybe this is like the start of a new era of engines for us to drop it. Maybe the new civic will have the bay for a K series, and/or the V6 in the accord? you'd like to see that wouldnt you

But of course, Honda is going to make the decision not based on what us 'tuners' want, but shape their car for one crowd and one crowd ONLY: the first time buyers. So if you or your mom owns a new Civic, remind them of what they drive, and go ahead, mod your mom's accord, hehe.
Thank you Honda for making this high build quality, but please don't ever slack (you came close with the D17.)

Owner of a 96 LX sedan, D16Y7

 

Great posts you guys.

I agree with you guys.

Don't you find it funny though, in Honda's recent commericals how they are basicly telling you to mod your new 7th gen civic, yet it's like the least friendly civic to mod ever.

I guess they want to attract "some" young buyers to their now adult oriented product.

 

Personally I think they should release an eg6 SiR in the states or the Ctr. These cars really rock. My eg6 gets over 40 mpg on the highway and just about stays up with my 93 si b18c-r swap.

Nice options from the folding side views, climate control, power windows and locks, cubby and arm rests for the rear passengers, a/c, moonroof, pull out storage bin in rear, flat cargo area when rear seats are collapased, fuel light, nice stereo set-up and it can flat get it for a B16.

What more do they think Honda lovers need?

 

again its not an "unfriendly" vehicle to mod. Any car is easy to mod if there are bolt on parts available for it. The blame is not to be put on honda for the parts companys not following in the civics footsteps. The RSX had a real following in japan and the US because of its asthetic appeal. Simply put the car looks good. If the SI had the same appeal you would have seen a similar following. People didnt accept the SI but they accepted the RSX. No sweat off hondas back as honda and acura are the same company. The money is flowing into their pockets either way. But I do think that when (IF) they release a smaller coupe SI again that itll come back arround.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Xion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Great posts you guys.

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in Honda's recent commericals how they are basicly telling you to mod your new 7th gen civic
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I guess they only tell you to look ricey, put a load of "sticker that produce power" and buy a cai... with a can of bean in the rear...


i forgot... a big ******* wing too!!!

 

One thing i would like to see is a real sport sedan civic. Not only having a sohc vtec sedan, but somthing fast.

Dont they understand what the other company understood? The srt-4, mazdaspeed protege, sentra ser specV.

practical 4 door with performance of the type-r

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wilsel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It really doesn't matter what we want in the next civic because we are not Honda's target consumer. The target is recent college grads, and young familys looking for a reliable, and economical car. And that's Honda's reputation. Sure they could build a turboed, 2.4 liter, awd civic. Fact is they would never sell as many, or make the profit they do now with the civic as it is. You may see an SI, based off the coupe again. I think they've learned their lesson creating a whole new model just for enthusiast with the EP SI hatch. They would of sold more just using the coupe, and the SI engine. It would cut production costs too not requiring a whole different shell, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow, 2.4 litre turboed awd CIVIC!!!!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Xion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now many Honda tuners were not happy with the 7th generation civics. Namely the coupes and sedans with the D17a1 and D17a2 which were not very friendly to tuners what so ever.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have a 7th gen civic. its a good car, i havent had 1 problem with it mechanicly (i've had it for less than 2 years), it gets good mpg, but as far as moding it goes, its a waste of money. now if my car wasn't automatic than i would just turbo it, it would be making about 175 whp, than i would have a quick car that would be fun to drive. when i first got my car i had a plan for what mods i was ganna do to it, but as i started reading up on the car and its very poor responce to mods, i decided not to. all i've done to my car is drop it on eibach sportlines, and thats probably all i will do. now im saving up for an eg and a b18c1.

sorry if some of those sentences are really long, i just woke up.

 

I've heard a lot of strong rumours about the 8th gen civic for a few years now and this is what I've gathered.


8th gen civic will be powered by a 1.8 liter DOHC i-vtec engine. and will produce about 140hp. this engine will be in all model trims of the civic.

Dx: base model P/S, A/C, Radio not much change in terms on options.
Lx: mid model same as DX but added CD player, power windows/locks.
Ex: top model Same as LX but added sunroof, 15" alloy wheels, keyless entry, and for the first time ever on an EX rear disc brakes.

The HX will be dropped to focus on the civic-hybrid
The Si will be dropped and replace with the Civic Type-S

The Civic Type-S will be powered by a 2.0 liter DOHC i-vtec engine and will produce about 180hp. The Civic Type-S will also come with 16" allow wheels, an aero package, and "sport" supsension. The Civic Type-S will be available in coupe, hatchback, sedan.

A 5dr civic is also rumored.


now again this isn't confermed yet but honda is has hinted and pointed in this direction many times. IE: honda anounceing back in 2002 that in 2005 all hondas will have i-Vtec. and "with the release of the honda fit in 2005 to be thier base line economy/small car, honda will be setpping up the Civic in both performance and features."

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by a f’n j &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ex: top model Same as LX but added sunroof, 15" alloy wheels, keyless entry, and for the first time ever on an EX rear disc brakes.
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I had rear disc brakes on my '94 civic ex coupe before i wrecked it. It was an option though.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by a f’n j &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A 5dr civic is also rumored.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm also waiting on a nice 4-door version of the top of the line civic to come out to compete with the rest of the pack.


i found this not too long ago...i think it was supposed to be the ep3 edition for '05