Problem with type R shocks/springs on GSR - need help !
A few years ago, I bought some ITR shocks, and spring, and LCA's for my GSR. I finally got around to installing them and I'm having some trouble with the rear ITR shocks fitting into the ITR LCA's.
The shock bushing will simply not fit into the space on the ITR LCA. I twisted and shoved, then finally gave it some decent smacks with the hammer, but it does not want to go in.
The ITR LCA appears to match up to the same mounting points as on the GSR. At this point, I am not sure if I actually have ITR shocks and LCA's or not. Either way, the shock is not going to fit without grinding the bushing or expanding the LCA.
The width of the shock bushing at the bottom where it goes into the LCA is 1 11/16" or about 43mm.
If someone has an actual ITR rear shock sitting around, please measure the shock bushing and post its size.
Also please take a look at the pics posted here and tell me if you think this is ITR stuff or not. Note part number on the rear shock is 52610-ST7-R020-M1











Thanks !
Modified by miketegra at 1:42 AM 6/13/2004
Modified by miketegra at 3:02 AM 6/13/2004
The shock bushing will simply not fit into the space on the ITR LCA. I twisted and shoved, then finally gave it some decent smacks with the hammer, but it does not want to go in.
The ITR LCA appears to match up to the same mounting points as on the GSR. At this point, I am not sure if I actually have ITR shocks and LCA's or not. Either way, the shock is not going to fit without grinding the bushing or expanding the LCA.
The width of the shock bushing at the bottom where it goes into the LCA is 1 11/16" or about 43mm.
If someone has an actual ITR rear shock sitting around, please measure the shock bushing and post its size.
Also please take a look at the pics posted here and tell me if you think this is ITR stuff or not. Note part number on the rear shock is 52610-ST7-R020-M1











Thanks !
Modified by miketegra at 1:42 AM 6/13/2004
Modified by miketegra at 3:02 AM 6/13/2004
maybe at one point the old owner of the lca, had aftermarket shocks, that had smaller bushings. when he tightened the bolt it squeezed the lca. so just do as mentioned abouve and spread the lca hole apart.
Ok...so that's one vote for grinding and two votes for spreading the LCA. Before I do any of that, I would really like to know if these are indeed ITR shock and LCA's. Can anyone visually ID these parts as for an ITR?
They were supposed to have been off of a 2000 ITR...
Help !
They were supposed to have been off of a 2000 ITR...
Help !
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That sounds like... never mind.
That sounds like... never mind.
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Alright, well I'm thinking of grinding the shock mount, but can someone please confirm or disconfirm that this IS ITR stuff !!!!!Take a peek at YOUR ITR shocks and LCA and please let me know !
those LCA's look like ITR's but they look slightly more deformed than the ones I picked up. obviously they're used so it's harder to tell
you don't want them binding but if it's just a little material then grind away.
you don't want them binding but if it's just a little material then grind away.
Thanks for the opinions....looks like its split....two votes for spreading the LCA and two for grinding.
If anyone has some ITR rear shocks sitting around, could they measure the width of the lower shock mount?
Thanks !
If anyone has some ITR rear shocks sitting around, could they measure the width of the lower shock mount?
Thanks !
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Thanks !</TD></TR></TABLE>
Interesting, just measured a pair of shocks off a "97 JDM ITR", 43mm across the spacer. Have a pair old Tokico "blues" for ITR/88 Civic/CRX. They measured 40mm across the spacer. Also replaced the blues with a pair of Tokico Illuminas for the USDM ITR and they were the same as the blues. I dunno, just reporting what I measured and my experience.
HTH
chris
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Interesting, just measured a pair of shocks off a "97 JDM ITR", 43mm across the spacer. Have a pair old Tokico "blues" for ITR/88 Civic/CRX. They measured 40mm across the spacer. Also replaced the blues with a pair of Tokico Illuminas for the USDM ITR and they were the same as the blues. I dunno, just reporting what I measured and my experience.
HTH
chris
Weird...so the JDM stuff is 43mm and the USDM is 40mm.
So I guess this stuff is either JDM or from a different car entirely?
Maybe someone at a dealership can cross-check the part number?
I hate mysteries ! ha ha
Thanks for your help everyone who replied !
So I guess this stuff is either JDM or from a different car entirely?
Maybe someone at a dealership can cross-check the part number?
I hate mysteries ! ha ha
Thanks for your help everyone who replied !
52611-ST7-R01 is the RR shock for 98+.. i don't have it for the LR, but it could be the same, and I can't tell exactly what that part number is..
52610-ST7-R01(if that's what it is in it's entirety) is the RR for a 97 R..
if it's only a little, i would grind it.. but if it's a big difference, I would carefully bend it.. either way, it will weaken the metal.. i would just pick up a new set of LCAs which can be had for like $75..
52610-ST7-R01(if that's what it is in it's entirety) is the RR for a 97 R..
if it's only a little, i would grind it.. but if it's a big difference, I would carefully bend it.. either way, it will weaken the metal.. i would just pick up a new set of LCAs which can be had for like $75..
Hi Mike,
Finally, I got a chance to measure and ID the "real" ITR shocks:
Fronts=51602-ST7-R020-M1
G8
001205 (<---Manufacture date code)
Backs=52610-ST7-R020-M1
Z8
001205 (<---Manufacture date code)
*Lower mount measurement=4.2cm
These are USDM shocks.
Chris
Finally, I got a chance to measure and ID the "real" ITR shocks:
Fronts=51602-ST7-R020-M1
G8
001205 (<---Manufacture date code)
Backs=52610-ST7-R020-M1
Z8
001205 (<---Manufacture date code)
*Lower mount measurement=4.2cm
These are USDM shocks.
Chris
Chris ~
Thanks a million for the info ! Looks like the backs ARE ITR shocks, but mine measure 4.3cm at the lower mount....hmmm.
I checked the fronts and they are:
52601-ST7-R020-M1 front right and
52602-ST7-R020-M1 front left
Since the holes on the LCA's seem to line up, and the part numbers seem to be correct, I'm going to grind down the shocks and put them on!
They do look like ITR LCA's to you, right?
Or if anyone in the Raleigh/Durham area has an ITR I can look under, please let me know!
Thanks a million for the info ! Looks like the backs ARE ITR shocks, but mine measure 4.3cm at the lower mount....hmmm.
I checked the fronts and they are:
52601-ST7-R020-M1 front right and
52602-ST7-R020-M1 front left
Since the holes on the LCA's seem to line up, and the part numbers seem to be correct, I'm going to grind down the shocks and put them on!
They do look like ITR LCA's to you, right?
Or if anyone in the Raleigh/Durham area has an ITR I can look under, please let me know!
I had the same exact problem concerning the LCA a few years back.
I purchased "JDM ITR" LCA from a local salvage yard that carried JDM parts, and only one LCA was wide enough to accept the ITR rear damper. The other side was too narrow, just like yours.
I eventually found out that the side too narrow was a JDM DA (2nd gen Integra) LCA.
Good luck.
I purchased "JDM ITR" LCA from a local salvage yard that carried JDM parts, and only one LCA was wide enough to accept the ITR rear damper. The other side was too narrow, just like yours.
I eventually found out that the side too narrow was a JDM DA (2nd gen Integra) LCA.
Good luck.
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Yeah, every hole lined up correctly. The only difference being the narrower slot on the DA LCA.
I couldn't get them to fit, however hard I tried. So I just bought another LCA, a correct one the second time around.
Yeah, every hole lined up correctly. The only difference being the narrower slot on the DA LCA.
I couldn't get them to fit, however hard I tried. So I just bought another LCA, a correct one the second time around.
Well, I've been super busy at work, but finally got around to grinding off the shock mounts in the rear. Went very well and now they fit nice and snug in the ITR LCA's - the only problem now is that the bolt that holds the shock mount to the LCA is too long! Looks like a trip to the stealership. I will let you guys know how it turns out !
thanks for all the help yo !
thanks for all the help yo !
Well, I know you folks have been waiting in anticipation and wondering how the rest of the install went.
I ground off about .06" off the ITR shock bushings and they slid very nicely into the ITR LCA's. Unfortunately, the GSR shock to LCA bolt was too long, so I had to get the stealership order ITR shock mount bolts. They were only $1.53 each, which seemed kinda cheap, but they fit perfect and are just like the other bolts (grade 10). Kinda suprised no one else mentioned that the GSR bolts are too short.
Anyway, went for a test drive and everything worked perfect. I have not had a chance to really tear it up, but definitely way better than the GSR stuff even when the GSR stuff was new. I guess thats pretty obvious. Seems like it dropped my car about an inch though...definitely noticeable...but good...ha ha
Anyway, thanks for everyone's help...H-T.com comes through again !
I ground off about .06" off the ITR shock bushings and they slid very nicely into the ITR LCA's. Unfortunately, the GSR shock to LCA bolt was too long, so I had to get the stealership order ITR shock mount bolts. They were only $1.53 each, which seemed kinda cheap, but they fit perfect and are just like the other bolts (grade 10). Kinda suprised no one else mentioned that the GSR bolts are too short.
Anyway, went for a test drive and everything worked perfect. I have not had a chance to really tear it up, but definitely way better than the GSR stuff even when the GSR stuff was new. I guess thats pretty obvious. Seems like it dropped my car about an inch though...definitely noticeable...but good...ha ha
Anyway, thanks for everyone's help...H-T.com comes through again !
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