I just got back from the track. I believe I had a lot against me and hope for a better day to go back to the track. It was Very hot and muggy out and rained 30 minutes after i got there. Well anyways.. my speedsensor isnt working so my trip'o'meter isnt working so i'm not sure how much gas i still have in the tank. All i knew was that it was on E and I was hoping to have enough gas to make a couple quick passes. I stage up, knowing I have traction problems so I didnt launch it at all. I just took it easy and then floored it to keep from spinning too much. I go and all seems well but kinda feels sluggish. Just as I was about to put it into 4th gear the engine goes dead on me so i pressed the clutch and drifted out the rest of the 1/4 mile. 14.6 @ 87, running outta gas. I pulled over to the fueling station and all they have is race gas. I asked for 100oct. but the guy misunderstood and used 110... I figured, oh well. My car runs A LOT better off 87oct, I knew this would slow me up. (8.8:1 compression ) I stage up again and I spun pretty bad but kinda grabbed. Felt even more sluggish and like it had no more top end. I hit the revlemit in 3rd pretty bad and then kept in it with a 14.5 @ 94.3 . I can tell by the times that the higher oct. fuel killed performance on my engine (b20). Oh well next time will be much better. After that run I had to get going because it started raining pretty bad. Hopeing for 13.9-14.2 range on decent street tires nect time. Wish me Luck

Setup:
92 Honda Civic DX hatch
No passenger seat
B20b w/ GSR tranny
AEM cold air intake
4-1 header
Test pipe
2.5 exhaust.
LS ECU
LS int.manifold
LS TB
96' LS 5speed cams
Timing advanced

Tire PSI 25psi in all 4

Temp: 90
Humidity: 85%

Slips
1st run (ran outta gas at the 1/8th)

60 - 2.243
330 - 6.123
1/8 - 9.324
MPH - 76.54
1000 - 12.143
1/4 - 14.674
MPH - 87.42

2nd Run (On 110 Oct. and hitting revlemit in 3rd)

60 - 2.302
330 - 6.196
1/8 - 9.400
MPH - 76.28
1000 - 12.185
1/4 - 14.548
MPH - 94.39

 

damn dude that sucks. lookin at ur slip i can see u were going better on the first pass by the comparison of the 1/8th mile. i can only imagine the frustration u had man. better luck next time.

 

If you werent sure how much gas you had, you should of filled up just
to be safe, yea i know it is easy to second guess but its not smart driving
around like that. better luck next time

 

looks like u had almost an identical trap speed at the 1/8th mile marker. yeah u know how that 110 always slows ppl down with a good 60' u could realistically pull lower 14s but with that trap speed thats about it.

 

planning on slapping on a vtec head soon??

 

Just because you have low compression 110 is not going to make your times slower, if anything it will give better times.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxmatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just because you have low compression 110 is not going to make your times slower, if anything it will give better times.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong!

octane does not equal horsepower.

you want to run the LOWEST octane you can without knock.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 2 NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks like u had almost an identical trap speed at the 1/8th mile marker. yeah u know how that 110 always slows ppl down with a good 60' u could realistically pull lower 14s but with that trap speed thats about it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah I understand that night if all was right that is all I would have expected. Track condition and weather plaied a big roll in performance to.

I had this swap in my coupe before i put it into my hatch and I ran 14.4 @ 96 at best in that. but the traps staid in the 97 to 96 range. The coupe was also 200lbs heavier. If i had a engine with more conpression Id only use higher oct. if I had knock when advancing my timing. The B20's comp. is at 8.8:1 and is night and day differnce with 87 vs. 93. 110 just made it worse. I've had the swap for a year+ in my coupe and a month and a half in my hatch. I know what works best with it. and Both runs were off idle, Id still get a lot of wheel spin so launching it on those tires wouldnt be smart.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Re3irth &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you werent sure how much gas you had, you should of filled up just
to be safe, yea i know it is easy to second guess but its not smart driving
around like that. better luck next time </TD></TR></TABLE>

I knew I had enough gas to make it to the track, just didnt know i had taht little. all is fine tho.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hasback_00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">planning on slapping on a vtec head soon?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I've been thinking about the head swap or building my non-vtec head. I've been thinking hard about what route i wanna take.

Thanks for any possitive input

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Re3irth &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you werent sure how much gas you had, you should of filled up just
to be safe, yea i know it is easy to second guess but its not smart driving
around like that. better luck next time </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah go ahead and add the extra 50 or so pounds that a full tank gives you. LOL. Come on guy weight is the enemy here.

 

esp. for Brad (Typesi2nv) hes the most weight reductedist (inside joke). But really if u knew him, ud know this kid does alot of wierd off the wall **** and most of the time it works. like his 200mph taped spare bumper, stripping his dx and making it lighter than a vx somehow. this kid has talent. but yeah back to the topic at hand, i see why he didnt have it full of gas. simply cause its brad

 

People that know me call the stuff i do... Brad Mods lol.

If I were to of preped my car for the track like i normaly do, it would have ran a lot quicker then what it did. I had everything in the car all the way down to teh Burger King I had on my way to the track. haha. All i took out was the passenger seat.

 

Hey Brad how much does your civic weigh? Thats some good numbers for a fairly stock B20. I cant wait to see your new times this friday

 

my D15z1 ran good on 110 (on time had to get some at the track)

but dont run it all the time

 

if i recall correct his dx weighs 1918 lbs. but i could be wrong. he had the same exact swap in his dx coupe awhile back and it went 14.4 all motor on street tires. this very same engine also was in a 1995 cx hatch with a 60 shot which ran 13.6 on street tires. i think he has a "lucky" b20 cause for some reason this engine just seems to get stronger each time it gets swapped into somthing else.

also the original owner of the b20 (cx hatch) and brad both can drive their asses off, if that attributes to anything.

 

haha, thanks Jason.

It was 1904lbs with the D series in it. Not sure what its at w/ the B20. I need to stick it back on the scales.

The coupe I had it in was 2360.

and the CX it used to be in had stock exhaust and cat with short filter on a stick intake and pos header. ran the 13.6 like that.

hopeing to pull some decent times this friday if the weather is decent


Oh by the way jason, I raced a new SRT4 yesterday I had him nicely until 5th when he started to gain on me so i let off haha... (295)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gtfour43 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Brad how much does your civic weigh? Thats some good numbers for a fairly stock B20. I cant wait to see your new times this friday </TD></TR></TABLE>

I need to put it back on the scales.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Typesi2nv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh by the way jason, I raced a new SRT4 yesterday I had him nicely until 5th when he started to gain on me so i let off haha... (295)</TD></TR></TABLE>

the dsm pulled an srt-4 all the way, then he let off when he finally realized HE HAD NO CHANCE. . but yeah anyways dude ur **** is sweet itll be fast just gotta get use to the b-series again.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTECschmetec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

the dsm pulled an srt-4 all the way, then he let off when he finally realized HE HAD NO CHANCE. . but yeah anyways dude ur **** is sweet itll be fast just gotta get use to the b-series again. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I used to have your talon until about then too

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sketch_hs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Wrong!

octane does not equal horsepower.

you want to run the LOWEST octane you can without knock.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Junkiii Eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah i think we accomplished that awhile back. and whats with just posting the ????? Trying to raise ur post count or somthing?

 

J,

I would run my car tonight (friday) but its 93 out side and heat index is at 110. lol So i'mma go to WalMart instead and chill until a decent night or until I add some nice power adders here soon I'm saving enough to do something nice but + get dyno tuning so i do it right the first time. A lot of people forget about the dyno time that is envaulved with the decent mods in life lata man

 

dyno schmyno, i use my *** dyno. its very effective . but yeah i hear ya man. i told ya where to get a complete turbo setup for FREE. but anyways. good luck with the wal-mart thing .

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTECschmetec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dyno schmyno, i use my *** dyno. its very effective . but yeah i hear ya man. i told ya where to get a complete turbo setup for FREE. but anyways. good luck with the wal-mart thing . </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hehe... I lied, If the weather holds off I may be leaving here in 20-30minutes to get more track time in wish me luck

 

Welp, I ran the car again. This time it on 87 and in 100% street trim. I had a lil more gas then last time. Full interior (heavy *** teg front seats), tools, lug 4way, and a lot of dumb stuff. These times also wernt on my 23lb (with tires) mx3 wheels. I was on my bling bling 5spoke heavy rimes (15'inch PRIMEs painted black, 43lbs w/ tires!). (BTW to explain my self about having those wheels, I traded an a/f gauge and boost gauge for all 4 w/ new kumho Escsta's. So, any of you think I'm able to hit the 13.9-14.1 range if i tried ? anyways. here's the info and times how i drive it daily:

Temp: 96 (a lot hotter then last time..)
Humitity: 90%
Heat index: 105-110
Tire pressure: 25psi
Car Weight: 2075lbs full interior + tools + personaly things
W/ me in it: 2265lbs

Average runs:
about 14.70 - 14.71 @ 92
Fastest. 14.648 @ 92.76

Was tring to be consistant, made it to finals and lost by .004 !! oh well, I got a trophie... left lane, 5.0 Mustang. Right lane... Me; Times below:

DIAL: 15.45 14.69
R/T .118 .063
60 2.196 2.307
330 6.434 6.230
1/8 9.920 9.502
MPH 70.77 74.94
1000 12.926 12.353
1/4 15.476&lt;win 14.775
MPH 88.25 92.13

LEFT 1st .0048


Fastest Slip:

R/T .188
60 2.189 (you like?)
330 6.122
1/8 9.387
MPH 74.68
1000 12.232
1/4 14.648
MPH 92.76

 

*caugh* get my turbo *caugh*, yeah but anyways boost that biatch, then we can have one big happy turbo family. esp when i get my **** done. WAIT and SEE