I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (91 si)!!!
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I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (91 si)!!!
I already have a momo steering wheel (~380mm), but that is a band-aid to the problem. I simply need fewer turns lock to lock!
Has anyone fitted a better ratio rack into an EF?
Would one from say an ITR work?
Has anyone fitted a better ratio rack into an EF?
Would one from say an ITR work?
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (91 si)!!! (Black R)
You can use one from the DA Integra. Simply disassemble the body assembly, remove all the pistons and valves, reassemble, loop the lines back into each other, fill with fluid and voila; a better steering ratio w/o power steering.
For reference, here are the steering ratios of the EFs and DA.
DA- 3.5 turns lock to lock
EF DX/HF- 3.9 turns
Si- 4.1 turns
EG/DC2 racks will not fit. If they did, I'd have one in my car already...
For reference, here are the steering ratios of the EFs and DA.
DA- 3.5 turns lock to lock
EF DX/HF- 3.9 turns
Si- 4.1 turns
EG/DC2 racks will not fit. If they did, I'd have one in my car already...
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (JDMDA9)
Hey, thanks for the info!!!
All DA's have the same ratio racks?
Didn't some come without power steering? I'd prefer a manual rack if possible...
(Or maybe I should convert to PS for those 225 hoosiers? - SM ain't too forgiving this year...)
All DA's have the same ratio racks?
Didn't some come without power steering? I'd prefer a manual rack if possible...
(Or maybe I should convert to PS for those 225 hoosiers? - SM ain't too forgiving this year...)
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (ITAIntegraLS)
All USDM DAs had power steering, but I believe some JDM DAs (perhaps lower model ZC/B18A vehicles and maybe even the suedo "Type-R" RSi) came with a genuine manual rack. I have never seen one or heard about the specs on it, but I'm quite sure they're out there...
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I totally agree with your there. I plan on keeping mine fully installed for a long time, but this method of converting it to a manual rack is the only way to fly.
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I totally agree with your there. I plan on keeping mine fully installed for a long time, but this method of converting it to a manual rack is the only way to fly.
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Black R)
Quaife are about to release rack and pinion parts for manual racks for the EFs and EGs. Rumored to be 2.5-2.8 turns lock to lock. Somewhere around $200. The boys are in jolly old England right now, and one of the things they are checking on is these parts.
Should have more news by the end of the week.
Should have more news by the end of the week.
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Jaker)
No ****? Thats great. Can't wait to find out more about that! The ratio would be closer to an actual sports car then...
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (JDMDA9)
I thought that the parts from Quaife had been "about to come out" for quite awhile now...?
Christian. who'd like a faster rack but has been waiting a long time for the parts...
Christian. who'd like a faster rack but has been waiting a long time for the parts...
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Jaker)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jaker »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Quaife are about to release rack and pinion parts for manual racks for the EFs and EGs. Rumored to be 2.5-2.8 turns lock to lock. Somewhere around $200. The boys are in jolly old England right now, and one of the things they are checking on is these parts.
Should have more news by the end of the week.
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IIRC, Brian from Fastbrakes was going to get these made up... but I hadn't heard any updates on them and am getting anxious for something.
I'm prepping my little hatch for SM/ DM, and the next event is only 2 weeks away.....!
Who has definitive info on when these will be available?
Modified by Black R at 10:30 PM 5/17/2004
Should have more news by the end of the week.
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IIRC, Brian from Fastbrakes was going to get these made up... but I hadn't heard any updates on them and am getting anxious for something.
I'm prepping my little hatch for SM/ DM, and the next event is only 2 weeks away.....!
Who has definitive info on when these will be available?
Modified by Black R at 10:30 PM 5/17/2004
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Black R)
Not even the boys at Quaife USA know for sure when they'll be available. I spoke to them about 3 weeks ago, and they were leaving for the UK to check on the status of several projects, the rack parts being one of them.
I will be checking back with them towards the end of this week to find out what they know.
I will be checking back with them towards the end of this week to find out what they know.
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Jaker)
Does the DC2 rack fit in the EG like the DA in the EF???
Let us know when Quaife has something to sell...
Let us know when Quaife has something to sell...
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (clemsonhatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clemsonhatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does the DC2 rack fit in the EG like the DA in the EF???
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Black R)
OK folks,
More info from Quaife. Possibly the end of May, more likely sometime in mid June. EF will be 3.25 turns lock to lock. EG will be 2.8. Suggested retail will be $239. Looks like I'll be trying to retrofit an EG rack into my EF. The reason for the difference in ratios is the rack housings. The EG housing has more clearance for the larger pinion. Quaife does not want to make parts that would necessitate modifications to the housing. I'm also told by Quaife that the rack bar and pinion from the EG will not fit the EF housing, even with mods.
More info from Quaife. Possibly the end of May, more likely sometime in mid June. EF will be 3.25 turns lock to lock. EG will be 2.8. Suggested retail will be $239. Looks like I'll be trying to retrofit an EG rack into my EF. The reason for the difference in ratios is the rack housings. The EG housing has more clearance for the larger pinion. Quaife does not want to make parts that would necessitate modifications to the housing. I'm also told by Quaife that the rack bar and pinion from the EG will not fit the EF housing, even with mods.
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Jaker)
Correct me if i'm wrong, but this mod would not be legal in SM or SP for Solo2. No idea about road racing classes legality.
Otherwise, i'd be all over it...
Otherwise, i'd be all over it...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Correct me if i'm wrong, but this mod would not be legal in SM or SP for Solo2. No idea about road racing classes legality.
Otherwise, i'd be all over it... </TD></TR></TABLE>
iirc, they are legal for SM..... but it looks like I'll be running DM this season anyway......
Otherwise, i'd be all over it... </TD></TR></TABLE>
iirc, they are legal for SM..... but it looks like I'll be running DM this season anyway......
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (TeamSlowdotOrg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamSlowdotOrg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They clarified that, it is indeed legal in SM but not SP. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok, thanks. Just found it in Jan Fastrack. Missed that one. I was referring to the initial suspension clarification which explicitly prohibited steering rack mods/replacement.
Even a 3.25 would be a major improvement to an EF rack buslike 4 turns ltl.
Ok, thanks. Just found it in Jan Fastrack. Missed that one. I was referring to the initial suspension clarification which explicitly prohibited steering rack mods/replacement.
Even a 3.25 would be a major improvement to an EF rack buslike 4 turns ltl.
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Black R)
What's your best guess at the steering ratio on the DA? Better yet, how many turns lock to lock?
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Jaker)
I do recall seeing that a steering quickener is legal in SM and Prepared. Basically a gearbox that fits on the steering shaft. I've seen them on a number of Prepared cars.
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Black R)
Yeah but isnt the DA rack p/s? Plugging and re-routing lines may work ok but it's not an ideal setup. Plus it's probably heavier. Bah, for $239 i'd rather just slap in a brand new rack and save myself the dicking around. Just IMO...
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (jsi)
Its not a complete rack. Its just the rack bar and the pinion with bearing. You need to install it into your current (or a spare) rack housing.
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Re: I need a closer ratio steering rack for my EF (Jaker)
jaker, any news about one being developed for an ek civic? i don't think an eg rack will work ... at least w/o some modification.