Hello fellow HT'ers. Long story short, i bought a set of supposedly "very good" condition JDM DC2 fenders from MR.DC2TurBo for 275 shipped (a ripoff<--my fault) but when i got them, a corner fo the fender was sticking out of the box!! (<---fedex's fault) it was cracked, but when i opened it up, the fenders were not in very "perfect" condition. Now this part isn't fedex's fault, the fenders have been damaged prior to selling them, and had been re-fiberglassed. There were bolt tabs broken, etc. (<--Mr.DC2TurBo's fault). At this point i chose to file a damage claim with Fedex Ground, but i soon figured out that no matter who files it (buyer or seller), the seller will get the compensation money, UNLESS the seller writes or faxes Fedex to deal with me (the buyer). Only untilt FedEx gets this letter, can they deal with me, and only this way, can I recieve the compensation money.

MR.DC2Turbo (Danny Kan from PA), says he wrote a letter AND faxed it to FedEX, but FedEx says they have not recieved it. This is neither of our faults, but at this point, I CAN'T get compensation money for it. So I'm left with broken *** fenders. No ONE knows why FedEx hasn't recieved the letter. I suggested that the best way to END all of this hassle is for Danny Kan to refund my money so HE can continue the claim with Fedex since he is the ONLY one that can do so right now. This way, he will recieve the worth of the fenders (what i paid for them) from FedEx, and i will receive my money as well, and we'll both be happy campers. Sounds fair right? He claims that he wants this all to end, but he is too dense to understand what's going on...That I am POWERLESS to do anything at this point.

Danny Kan aka Mr.DC2Turbo gets a from me. He's bitching at me, for something that i can't control. HE has more control in this situation, b/c he can file the claim. What do you think I should do about this? or How Danny should help out Since he is the only one that can file a claim?

below is only like the last 1/2 of our convo, when things started to get ugly...
What do i do??!!


(5:10 PM 4/21/2004) Aznspeedracer: i don't...best guess is to just call 1800-463-3339, and talk to the operator and ask them what fax # to send it to.
(11:24 PM 4/25/2004) Aznspeedracer: did you notify Fedex to deal with me yet?
(12:11 AM 4/26/2004) Mr.DC2TurBo: i couldnt find the fax so i just mailed it to them.
(11:14 AM 4/26/2004) Aznspeedracer: ok

(7:00 PM 4/29/2004) Mr.DC2TurBo: is everything cool now? I did wat you asked.

(7:45 PM 4/29/2004) Aznspeedracer: i called fedex today, and they didn't recieve your letter yet. once i find out that they recieved your letter, then everything will b cool....

(7:54 PM 4/29/2004) Mr.DC2TurBo: aright, ill call them tomorrow for the fax number. I dont wait anymore delays.

(7:57 PM 4/29/2004) Aznspeedracer: good thinking. thanks. i got everything set up ready to go over here. ie. proof of value, confirmation letter, etc.

(1:12 PM 5/3/2004) Aznspeedracer: did u get a chance to fax fedex yet?

(8:15 PM 5/3/2004) Mr.DC2TurBo: it will be faxed tomorrow by my dad.

(8:48 PM 5/3/2004) Aznspeedracer: ok

(10:48 AM 5/5/2004) Aznspeedracer: hey, as of 10:45 am 5/5/04, Fedex hasn't recieved your fax. Fedex says that they will refund the amount of money that fenders are worth, and she also suggested that instead of us trying and trying to transfer the claims to me, that you just give me the money, and you continue with the claim yourself. This is the best idea i've heard so far, so i suggest just refunding my 275, and then i'll send you the pics of the fenders, and you can have a claims adjuster pick of the fenders from my place, and we can all be done with this.

(10:49 AM 5/5/2004) Aznspeedracer: I've been fair about it, waiting this long, and not saying a word about it on HT, so i think this is only the fair thing to do.

(10:14 PM 5/5/2004) Mr.DC2TurBo: dude, it has already been faxed on TUESDAY like i said. I don't know wat else you want from me. I havent been in PA for the pass week due to summer vacation. I have done everything u ask. I wrote a letter, I faxed. There is soo much I can do. I wont be back in PA until end of july.

(10:37 PM 5/5/2004) Mr.DC2TurBo: Did you use your name or your friends? I used the name as the person I shipped it to and that was the person's account on the pp.

(10:43 PM 5/5/2004) Aznspeedracer: dude, they said they haven't recieved it. Call them and see if they have recieved it. All i do EVERYTIME I CALL is give them the tracking number so they can look up the account, then i ask them if they have recieved a letter or fax from you, and they say NO. So what am i supposed to do now huh?? Thats why i say, just give me the money. They fenders are definitely damaged, and you will definitely get your money's worth for them, b/c i'm sure they'll find that you packaged them up safely. This transfer of claims deal is such as hassle, that its just easier, and it'll get done with faster if you just refund my money, and then continue with teh claim yourself.

(10:44 PM 5/5/2004) Aznspeedracer: as far as my calls to fedex go, no names are mentioned at all, b/c all i ask is whether or not they recieved a letter from you. and they say NO, so what names i say have nothing to do with it.

(11:45 PM 5/5/2004) Mr.DC2TurBo: why would I refund your money?? tell me why? I didn't break it so why should i? I showed you pix of it and it was UNDAMAGED. I did watever you ask and I did it in a timely fashion. Is not my fault FEDEX sucks at customer service? U told me to write a letter, so I did. THen you told me to fax, then I did. I did everything and you just sit there and complain. I will NOT refund your money bc I did not damage the item. It was packaged WELL and with cushion for support. If it was damage before I shipped it then I take responsibility but it wasn't. I was kind enough to ensure the package without charging you extra and you are treating this as my fault. At this pt i have ALL I CAN DO and I dont really care if u post this on HT bc I did everything you asked and I never tried to avoid the subject. Like I said before, I'm on vacation (summer) and I wont be back until end of JULY. So if you want to send it back then and have fedex do this **** its fine with me. Or you bitch to fedex and tell them I faxed and I wrote them.

(7:13 AM 5/6/2004) Aznspeedracer: Why u gotta act like such an *** about it?! You're the one that said you wanted this to be over with right??!!! well, its not gonna be over with until FedEx receieves the letter!! And guess what? It's not my fault they didn't recieve it yet right??!! I CAN'T DEAL WITH FEDEX UNTIL CLAIMS IS TRANSFERRED TO ME!!! So tell me what I'm supposed to do?
You obviously DO NOT CARE about this whole thing getting dealt wth, otherwise you'd take the responsibility and deal with FEDEX yourself. Why deal with fedex yourself? BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN RIGHT NOW!! got it?! its not that hard to understand. Right now, the ONLY way for us BOTH to get our money is for you to give me mine back, and YOU file the claim. This way, YOU WILL get your money back from FEDEX and we will BOTH be happy. I don't see what's such a big deal about giving my money back, b/c YOU WILL get your money back. UNLESS you are afraid that FEDEX will find you liable for the damage right?! That is the only thing you have to worry about. But if you are so Sure that you packaged it good, then What do you have to worry about??

The point is, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN MAKE THIS END AT THIS POINT. IF you dont' want to help, then you're just being an ***, and lying about wanting this thing to end.

Here's pics of how i received the box:







Modified by Aznspeedracer at 3:11 PM 5/16/2004

 

Dud dunt.. Dud dunt.. Dunt dunt dunt duhhhh dunt dunt dunt duhhh <Jaws attack music>

 

that is not fedex's fault. That was packed shitty. Sharp corners should have styrofoam around them, there should be bubble wrap aroud the fenders and they should be in a thicker wall box.

 

man, that packaging sucks *****... its not even FED ex's Fault.. its the Shipper's Fault.!!!

Fedex can only do so much to take care of your package...

 

i didnt read anything, but those pics speak for themselves.

 

by far thats shitty packaging. with a box of that size it isnt hard to fill with packing to protect the product. even the box itself looks shitty quality, could've at least used a box that would hold up during shipping


hope you get yer $$$ back

 

times like this im scared to deal with other members on here. hope your situation gets resolved. bump!

 

thanks guys. Good to know I'm not overreacting about the packaging.... i just thought of a solution that i hope will fix it. Im gonna have him mail me the letter, and i'll fax it myself. hopefully then, i can be done with all of this....

 

hey MAY have another excuse.... but go for it...

 

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i hope not, he doesn't have anything to gain by NOT mailing me the letter...he already has his money...if he has another excuse then he's just trying to screw me over. lets hope for the best.

 

fedex claims department is good, but very slow. I have had to use them twice, unfortunatly. I hope it was insured for the full amount. Having a fax will speed the process by x100. Ask him where did he send the info to, did he have the claim number and tracking number on the form, and did he send it to someones attention.

If you so fedex these pictures, the will probably claim shippers fault and not award any money....

Good luck!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by andrew ef &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">fedex claims department is good, but very slow. I have had to use them twice, unfortunatly. I hope it was insured for the full amount. Having a fax will speed the process by x100. Ask him where did he send the info to, did he have the claim number and tracking number on the form, and did he send it to someones attention.

If you so fedex these pictures, the will probably claim shippers fault and not award any money....

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he only insured them for 200! I dunno wuts going to happen. ... so if it's shipper's fault, im just out of luck right?

 

bump for you, hope you get your money back

 

Fedex along with UPS claims that insured shipments
must have 4" around item in A FULLY DOUBLE walled box
to get any money from them. And by the looks of that
box you will not see a dime!
I used to work for UPS in Hawaii as a cargo loader.
Good Luck.

 

that is not fed ex's fault. I work at fed ex and in no way shape or form could that happen.. they were definately packaged horribly. If there is nothing around a sharp edge on the fender there is nothing from stopping it from comming through.. Get a refund

 

styrafoam, bubble wrap, and some masking tape would've protected everything....i cant believe he threw it in a box like that and called it a day...especially if its fiberglass! Bad packing for sure

 

dammit...from all the responses looks like im out of luck. He did wrap the fenders in bubble wrap, but just the main parts, ie. he did not put any covering over the sharp edges to prevent them from protruding from the box.... He also filled it with styrofoam peanuts, but those obviously didn't do much either...the fenders had enough room to shift a lot...

I'm glad i posted this and got all of your responses, i guess over time, he convinced me that it wasn't his fault. I'm just bummed now...i don't even think i should continue with trying to file a claim. From what all of you say, i won't see any money from FedEx anyway...

And as all of you can see, the seller wasn't being very cool once i asked for a refund, so i guess thats it.....

 

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He probably doesn't have money to refund you with.

Good luck with everything.

 

Look, I packaged it the same way I received my used jdm oem fenders. The box was the same one that it came in and I even package the inside with peanuts and bubble wrapped as much of the fenders I could. How is it my fault for this??? The box is NOT made of paper where it can ezly be broken into. I double taped everything so nothing will come loose. This is clearly not my fault. Why dont you show pix of the inside?? You know I put tons of peanut (full to the top) inside to try to provde support. I will not refund your money and I have gone out of my way to help you. I provided insurance at NO cost to you. I had to eat the extra shipping cost bc you were too cheap to pay the full amount. And I faxed twice and wrote a letter to fedex trying to get a refund for you. I really don't have the time for your BS. This is a USED ITEM, therefore everything used is SOLD AS IS. I showed you pix and everything was perfect and I wrapped and boxed it as best as I could.

 

(3:06 PM 5/16/2004) Aznspeedracer: FedEx is not going to refund me any money because of the packing job that you did. The box was not nearly reinforced like it should have been, and the sharp edges on teh fenders should have been covered better. I'm only asking for a partial refund from you, since i'll probably only be able to sell these fenders in this condition for like 100 dollars. refund me $100 dollars and i'll be happy. I made a thread a while ago about this, and everyone who has replied said that it was a bad packing job on the sellers part. read for yourself: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=856565
I only think that is fair i get SOME of my money back. Refund me 100, and everything's history.

(3:15 PM 5/16/2004) Aznspeedracer: P.S. I only asked for 100 b/c im hoping that you'll do me this courtesy. In a good situation, the buyer would pay to ship the fenders back, and then the seller would refund the entire amount.... I'd be willing to do this, but from our conversations before, you don't seem like you'd want to do that.

(7:48 PM 5/16/2004) Mr.DC2TurBo: sorry no.

I though this was fair, but i guess not. I'm out of luck because this guy is an *******.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.DC2TurBo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Look, I packaged it the same way I received my used jdm oem fenders. The box was the same one that it came in and I even package the inside with peanuts and bubble wrapped as much of the fenders I could. How is it my fault for this??? The box is NOT made of paper where it can ezly be broken into. I double taped everything so nothing will come loose. This is clearly not my fault. Why dont you show pix of the inside?? You know I put tons of peanut (full to the top) inside to try to provde support. I will not refund your money and I have gone out of my way to help you. I provided insurance at NO cost to you. I had to eat the extra shipping cost bc you were too cheap to pay the full amount. And I faxed twice and wrote a letter to fedex trying to get a refund for you. I really don't have the time for your BS. This is a USED ITEM, therefore everything used is SOLD AS IS. I showed you pix and everything was perfect and I wrapped and boxed it as best as I could.
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1. don't even try to lie. "too cheap to pay the full amount"??? you are the one that set the asking price including shipping, i didn't suggest any price, or complain about any price for that matter.

2. I didn't try to hide anything. in the original post, i noted what you had packaged it in. Not my fault you half-assed it.

3. Who charges the buyer for putting insurance on the package??!! don't act like it was a courtesy to NOT charge me for insurance...pleeeeez

4. This box was obviously not wrapped as best as you could. I didn't belive it, fellow H-Tiers didn't belive it, and FedEx didnt' believe it.

Case Closed. Mr.DC2Turbo is a horrible seller. Proven.

 

that is nothing
ive recieved a box from a USER sig hINT HINT, and box had like 2 pieces of tape on it, broken from 2 sides, and had pellets falling out of it when it reached my step.
so be happy that **** wasnt falling out, like the parts, the other half of my **** hasnt been here for like 3 months
so hey be happy
stop complainin
peace

 

caught in a lie....this was my very first IM to him about the fenders.

12:03 PM 4/7/2004) Aznspeedracer: do you have more pics of the jdm dc2 fenders? and how much u want shipped to socal?
(12:04 PM 4/7/2004) Mr.DC2TurBo: sorry i have no more pix. I have old pix of them on my car. i need to moeny so im selling to cheap. 250 shipped. first person who shows me the cash gets it.


and he said i was to cheap to pay the full amount for shipping?? gimme a break. i ended up paying 275 b/c of the 3% paypal fee.

 

That's the shitiest packaging job i have ever seen. He didn't even use Bubblewrap!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 714eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's the shitiest packaging job i have ever seen. He didn't even use Bubblewrap!</TD></TR></TABLE>

he used bubble wrap, but he didn't wrap the parts that matter obviously. He put the wrap over the main part of the fender, but left practically all the edges unwrapped--hence the protrusion of the fenders from the box....

 

Looks like this wasn't his first time as a scammer.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=600100

he changed his sn because of his past too. its evident when his sn says mr.dc2turbo, but when ppl quoted him in these old posts, it said mr.jdm_kid.

another one: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=600100