Okay, I have some questions on this suspension and I hope you guys can help.

1. First off...price. Check this out,

EG
http://kingmotorsports.com/products/...suspension.asp

ITR http://kingmotorsports.com/products/...suspension.asp

Okay, the EG Lowdown commentary says you MUST use ITR lower control arms. With that said, isn't the '92-'95 Civic and '94+ Integra the SAME suspension?? The reason I bring this up is because the EG Lowdown is $1000 whereas the ITR Lowdown is $1450... Hmm... Any thoughts on this? Thanks.

2. How much better is the Lowdown than stock ITR suspension? I'm very interested in this setup. I like the heighth as well.

3. What else is needed to optimize the Lowdown suspension? Do I need the adjustable "A" arms? What about getting an alignment set up properly?

Suggestions, suggestions welcomed.

 

The ITR and EG have different spring rates and dampening. Due to the weight differences in the two vehicles

 

The lowdown drops the ITR about 3/4" which, from what I've learned, doesn't cause enough of an alignment issue to require a camber kit. If you get the lowdown, maybe we'll be twins. I've been waiting patiently for a certain "bad R" to decide whether he'll sell me his used lowdown setup.

 

Twins...minus the JRSC on my part. haha.

1BadR has a Tein kit for sale methinks.


[Modified by Yellow Dragon, 10:46 AM 11/1/2001]

 

I heard a while back that Nate was first in line if the teins go up for sale. Anyway, I prefer the mugen lowdown since the Bat is daily driven year round. Hey, now that Jeffie is back from The Gap, we all need to get together for a video party. Round up the Omaha R's and come on down.

 

Does anyone else have anything to add?? I'd really like the input. Seeing as this is somewhat *Tech* related and obviously it's ITR related to add to the forum.

 

How much better are the Lowdowns than the stock suspension?

Would they be the same or better than say, Tein HAs, RAs, Apex N1s?

 

1. as far as fitment of the EG v ITR suspension goes i don't have any info to share except call King and talk with them.

2. Much firmer than stock! Very flat in the turns, with sway-bars and stut bars as well. You will most likely need to run a little more air pressure if you have the 15" wheels to keep from being too bouncy on a day-to-day basis. I like the setup very much. 100% satisified.

3. Alignment can be taken back to very near stock specs. i think it was only a .1 or .2 degree that could not be taken out. -1.6 or -1.7 as i recall for camber and stock is -1.5 i believe.

my only wish when i installed my set was that i did it sooner.

 

Do you mean set your alignment??

What is the best alignment for an ITR for both track and street driving?

 

no, sorry. i wish i installed them sooner. i aligned them just after install.

 

EG's have the same suspension as the 94 and up non-Type R Integra's (except for the holes for a rear anti-sway bar present on the Integra's lower control arm "LCA"). Type R lower control arms accommodate different style shocks. They bolt up at the bottom differently than GSR, GS, and LS shocks. The non-Type R shocks have a "U" shaped region at the bottom that wraps around the LCA where as the Type R's shocks simply have an "eye" that the bolt is threaded through and attaches to the LCA.

Man, this is hard to explain without pictures!

The long and the short of it is, you cannot use Type R shocks on an EG or GSR, GS, or LS unless you change the lower control arms.

 

Hell, I wish I had them...period.

I will get them soon though. ...just waiting on my bonus checks to start rolling in here at my new job.

 

I see what you're saying, but it specifically says on the EG link that you MUST use ITR LCA's. So, wouldn't they be the same? The only other thing I can think of is the spring rates. The damper is adj...right?

 

I see your point. The EG and DC2 Mugen lowdown's appear to be the same style shock with respect to their prerequisite Integra Type R lower control arm mounting points, but the prices are way different right?

My only GUESS would have to be that the spring rates and dampener valving (or some other spec that's not so obvious) are different between the two chassis.

Here's another item that I'll throw into the mix while we're at it. The N1 suspension prices are the same between the Civic and Integra chassis while the Lowdown's are not!

 

Okay...

I just got off the phone with King Motorsports. I have to say the guy I talked to was a bit rude.

He basically told me the EG and ITR have different *mounting points* whatever those are. I told him that the EG equipped with ITR LCA's is *basically* set up the same...or at least that's the impression that I have.

Oh yeah, then he told me about how labor is much more difficult with the suspension on the EG. WTF does that have to do with product price? It's not like they're INSTALLING the suspension for me with it included in the price... Grrr....

He told me they have different springrates in defense of my claim...not to mention he put me on hold like 5 times, when they DON'T have a toll free #.

I don't know, I'm not trying to be cheap here...but I am resourceful and if I can get the SAME suspension for $1000 that normally costs $1450 then I'm all for it. You know what's odd is that the Mugen N1 costs the same for EG and ITR.

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN SUSPENSION BETWEEN THE ITR AND EG IS ONLY THE LCA'S?

Sorry to make a big deal out of this, but I get the impression that the ITR owners are getting the *special preferred pricing* on the EG [/sarcasm]


[Modified by Yellow Dragon, 4:28 PM 11/1/2001]

 

I have the lowdown suspension, and it's excellent on the street. The different damper settings have a wide range so that stiff is VERY stiff and soft is maybe a little less damping than stock. I would recommend getting at least the rear sway bar as well. However, under hard track use, the dampers sometimes fade in hot weather.

My guess on the pricing is that the R&D costs of the Civic suspension are amortized over a much larger number of cars compared to the ITR. Sort of like the reason NSX suspension usually costs huge bucks, although there is no material reason for that.

 

SPORTS LOWDOWN ADJUSTABLE SUSPENSION
The Mugen Sports lowdown adjustable suspension kit has a 5-way adjustable damper which adjusts both bump and rebound simultaneously. This kit is matched with special Mugen springs that will lower your Integra 3/4". The kit is completely preassembled using special Mugen hard rubber mounts.
SPORTS LOWDOWN SUSPENSION
[97-2001 Type R] 50000-XG9R-K0S0 $1450.00
NOTE: 94-2001 GSR must use Integra Type R rear lower control arms to install. Price per arm is $65.00

 

Thanks for the comments Gansan. I guess I could take a gamble and purchase the EG setup. If it doesn't work for my R...I could use it on my EG.

BTW, I saw your photo album. I see you're the new, proud owner of Taz's old R. SWEET! Please tell me you'll be at the '02 ITR EXPO with it!!!

 

By looking at my mugen catalog im positive they have different spring rates.

 

YD, I think you need to stay on track. I'm not one to nickle-and-dime, but $450 is a good chunk of money, and if there's no real difference between the EG and the ITR lowdown packages, then there's no reason to blow the extra $450. I say you should buy the EG set. If they work out, then awesome. But, I will mock you for using EG parts on your ITR.