ok you can order these new from honda. and on someone's site, they said that mugen uses the same bushings with the collar since the bushings only work for the drum'd RTA...now if that is so where would i get the collar/sleeve to put in the OEM ones from honda?

 

I believe you are talking about the page that I wrote on my site;

http://www.performanceforum.co....html

I do want to add that to be REAL specific, I am saying that the two bushings (Honda and Mugen's) appear to me to be exactly the same thing. The distributor says other wise.

As for the "addapter" shell/shim needed for Integra or CRS disk brake arms, you can order them from King Motorsport (the main Mugen distributor) for 100 dollars, or, read through my page and see what I did.

Wes

 

unfortunatly, i dont have access to old integra bushings so i guess i have to fork up the money for the mugen's since honda doesnt have the correct one for my car...

 

why not the hyper flex bushing?

 

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i want rubber...

 

The bushing currently (?) in your CRX disk brake trailing arm is the same as the integra one!! Unless you picked up a set of arms without the outer shell of the original bushing still in place, you are good to go.

Heck, I'd bet you could pick up a used set of Integra arms (minus the disk brake stuff) for less money than King wants for the "shims".

Wes

 

crxgator;

I got your IM, however that function doesn't seem to work with my copy of Netscape.

In answer to your question; Yes, just follow what I did in the write-up and substitute the word "Integra" with "CRX disk brake arm".

When I wrote up the page, I was conserned that if I didn't make it real clear (and I guess I failed), people with drum brake arms would think that it applies to them.

And keep in mind that you NEED a press to do this.

If you feel the need, e-mail me direct at wesvn@chevelles.com

Wes

 

alright, thanks...

time to order some from honda...

 

wes v.

is this true?

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The also admitted that they didn't know that Honda now sells them (independent of the arm).</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

B16_madman;

I'm not sure where you got the quote from (yoursitething??), but that is pretty much the response that I got from King when I talked to them a couple weeks ago.

Now something I'm kind of worried about; King Motorsport is a sponsor of this site and I feel like I've got to be carefulwhat I post here. It's not that they are evil. They were just unaware of the fact that Honda changed it's policy in regards to selling them without the arm.

The bushing that Honda is currently selling is NOT the same design as the original (drum brake arms).

Wes

 

If I'm not mistaken aren't the Honda OEM bushings galvanized into the metal. I don't think they are really replaceable.

 

wes v, that was from your website link you posted above. my rear trailing arms aren't ripped, well the pass. one makes squeakin noise, but I haven't gotten around to replacing them yet.

I'll check into it this summer i guess.

 

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They can be replaced by OEM Honda bushings

 

Honda made the bushings available for the drum brake arms a couple years ago (I'm not sure of the exact date) as part of a service bulletin. They were replacing damaged ones at their cost and it was less costly to make the bushings available without the arms in order to save their selves money.

Wes

 

anyone know if the 90-93 integra bushings are avalible yet?

 

hey wes, have you ever noticed that when the rta goes through its movement that it goes in and out(side to side) on that rta bushing and thats the natural movement of the arm/bushing. Question, does that ES bushing eliminate this?

 

Temp; I doubt that the integra bushings will ever be sold by Honda (Acura) without the arm also.

Johnjw; The movement that you are refering to is a function of the arms that are attached to it. The Energy Suspension bushings will not change this and is indead one of the reasons that some people think that they will lead to binding. Personally, I think there is enough play in the ES bushings to allow the movement.

Wes

 

OEM rubber replacement bushing for trailing arms ARE available from honda.
PART # 52385-SR3-000
these fit
1988-2000 civic
1988-1991 crx
1993-1997 del sol
1997-2001 crv
1990-2001 integra
they have to be pressed out but i have heard of people changing these by just hammering them out and in.
information sourced from honda service bulletin #00-006

 

ne one know where on line we can get the ES hyper flex trailing arm bushing for a good price???

looking to swap mine out in next big project

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by seekerONE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OEM rubber replacement bushing for trailing arms ARE available from honda.
PART # 52385-SR3-000
these fit
1988-2000 civic
1988-1991 crx
1993-1997 del sol
1997-2001 crv
1990-2001 integra
they have to be pressed out but i have heard of people changing these by just hammering them out and in.
information sourced from honda service bulletin #00-006</TD></TR></TABLE>
See, now I have the service bulletin sitting in front of me and it only says this in the upper left corner: "Applies To: 1988-00 Civic - ALL" but thats it. And if you have looked on mr wes vann's site up there you wouldve seen that the 90-93 integra ones are indeed bigger.

Now, I'm not discounting wes but he told me that he picked up what he thought to be CRX Si TAs from the junkyard, but then he is putting his EF mugen bushings into DA arms. So maybe the ones he picked up from the yard were indeed DA TAs and not EF TAs with discs. I'd imagine that the EF ones would be the same as this bulletin says, no matter the rear brakes. I mean dont a lot of people race the EF Sis? Wouldnt they need some stiff, but not binding, bushings back there? If they were different then I'd guess that mugen would make them. Plus I've NEVER heard of them being different, besides from wes.

And on the stiffness issue. I put up a thread on G2IC about this a little while ago and member .J. (jason haradon; I dont know if you guys saw his car in super street a few months back but anyway...), who is a mugen fanatic said this:

"Ben and the rest,
Mugen bushings do seem like a stock bushing, but they aren't. They go through a process that the japanese call "impregnation" and from what I can tell them fill the rubber formula with a metallic and then suck any of the air out of the mold. I've seen pictures of the process, its no wonder they cost so much. If you have the funds and can afford the Mugens, go with them.
J."

also, there are a few guys who are parts guys at honda and one of them said this:

"oh and about your difference question, the Mugen ones are quite stiffer. I spoke with someone who is using them, and he said it was worth the money."

then he said:

"He went from new stock, to new mugen."

thread is here: http://www.g2ic.com/forums/sho...g+arm

BTW, I am really thankful wes figured out that you can press the EF bushings into the DA arms using the old DA ones as a sleeve. That will save a lot of people a lot of money and headaches.

Ben

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wes V &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Temp; I doubt that the integra bushings will ever be sold by Honda (Acura) without the arm also.

Johnjw; The movement that you are refering to is a function of the arms that are attached to it. The Energy Suspension bushings will not change this and is indead one of the reasons that some people think that they will lead to binding. Personally, I think there is enough play in the ES bushings to allow the movement.

Wes</TD></TR></TABLE>

why do you doubt that? why would they release the CRX ones but not the integra ones?

 

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See, now I have the service bulletin sitting in front of me and it only says this in the upper left corner: "Applies To: 1988-00 Civic - ALL" but thats it. And if you have looked on mr wes vann's site up there you wouldve seen that the 90-93 integra ones are indeed bigger.

Now, I'm not discounting wes but he told me that he picked up what he thought to be CRX Si TAs from the junkyard, but then he is putting his EF mugen bushings into DA arms. So maybe the ones he picked up from the yard were indeed DA TAs and not EF TAs with discs. I'd imagine that the EF ones would be the same as this bulletin says, no matter the rear brakes. I mean dont a lot of people race the EF Sis? Wouldnt they need some stiff, but not binding, bushings back there? If they were different then I'd guess that mugen would make them. Plus I've NEVER heard of them being different, besides from wes.

And on the stiffness issue. I put up a thread on G2IC about this a little while ago and member .J. (jason haradon; I dont know if you guys saw his car in super street a few months back but anyway...), who is a mugen fanatic said this:

"Ben and the rest,
Mugen bushings do seem like a stock bushing, but they aren't. They go through a process that the japanese call "impregnation" and from what I can tell them fill the rubber formula with a metallic and then suck any of the air out of the mold. I've seen pictures of the process, its no wonder they cost so much. If you have the funds and can afford the Mugens, go with them.
J."

also, there are a few guys who are parts guys at honda and one of them said this:

"oh and about your difference question, the Mugen ones are quite stiffer. I spoke with someone who is using them, and he said it was worth the money."

then he said:

"He went from new stock, to new mugen."

thread is here: http://www.g2ic.com/forums/sho...g+arm

BTW, I am really thankful wes figured out that you can press the EF bushings into the DA arms using the old DA ones as a sleeve. That will save a lot of people a lot of money and headaches.

Ben</TD></TR></TABLE>


unfortunately you do have to get a ghetto rigged set of mugen bushings IMO.......mugen should just make some DA ones dammit but there is not enough demand

 

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what do you mean?

And sure there is demand. There is a whole club over at g2ic who would buy them.

Ben

 

I'm sorry about any confusion as to what arms I used! Here is a little history as to what happened;

I picked up the rear arms and disk brake set-up from a knowledgable junk yard near me that specializes in Honda's. One of the arms is from a CRX and the other is a DA arm. The consern when using the CRX arms on a Hatchback deals with the length of one of the braking cables. The guy at the yard checked the cable length of the CRX arm and said that it was OK. The length of cables on both arms were the same. (when installed, everything hooked up fine)

I bought the Mugen bushings from OPM and originally planed on using them on my car's (89 Civic SI Hatchback) existing arms with drum brakes. They are correct for those arms!

Without looking close, I took the arms to a friends shop to use his press to remove and replace the bushings on the new arms. I pressed out one of the bushings and it wasn't until I went to put in the new bushing that I noticed that it was too small.

The size of the bushings on both of the two "new" arms were the same.

At that point I called King Motorsport and they told me about the need for the "shim / collars" at a cost of $100 for just the collars.

As for if the Mugen bushings are different from the currently available Honda bushings; It's my opinion that they are exactly the same. I base this on the fact that I have had both bushings in my hand at the same time! It is possible to twist the bushings along the axis of the rubber webbing and they both offer what feels like exactly the same resistance. I my mind, if the Mugen bushings were more than twice as stiff (as stated by King Motorsport), you should feel a difference.

Keep in mind that I'm refering to the bushings as Honda is currently selling them and not the older design!!!

When asked, the individuals at both King Motorsport and at OPM admitted that they have never had an example of the new Honda bushings for compairson to the Mugen versions. (there is no reason for me to make this up!) I made the request of both place that they pick up one of the Honda bushings to check it out and call me back. I never heard back from them.

Wes Vann

 

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what do you mean?

And sure there is demand. There is a whole club over at g2ic who would buy them.

Ben</TD></TR></TABLE>


g2ic does not constitue the world, thats not a large enough demand for a LARGE company like mugen to make a bushing for the DA