So I feel the next mod I should get should have something to do with increasing the longevity of my engine. I have not yet but am planning on doing my fair share of road racing and autocrossing. I am trying to decide between getting an ITR oil cooler or getting a mugen baffled oil pan with spoon heat barrier tape stuck to it. I can't do both because of financial reasons. This is on my gsr, so which way do you guys think I should go? Opinions please.

 

I'd get the oil cooler first.

 

yeah

 

couldn't I just address the oil temp/engine temp issue with high perf. oil(motul) and water wetter and the like. Somehow I feel that if I take a long, drawn out turn, my engine will experience oil starvation. Some how I feel like the oil temps would be fine. I could be wrong though. Anyone else?

 

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Theres been a lot of debate about this. Many people have questioned the validity of that statement. When your road racing an oil cooler can really help.

Maybe go with the oil pan if you think you will be doing a lot more auto-X then road racing since autox is so short.

 

thanks, I probably will be doing more autocross. I don't know I'll sleep on it. How much is a brand new ITR oil cooler?

 

For autocross you dont need either. The courses arent long enough to require an oil cooler, and the turns are long and fast enough to require a baffled pan.

Dont GSR's have an oil cooler already? A friend of mine has 150K hard miles on his (lots of track miles) GSR and no problems at all.

Put the money towards a novice or autocross school ( http://www.autocross.com/evolution ) instead.

RJ

 

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agree

 

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agree</TD></TR></TABLE>

Waste money on something for an activity that he hasnt even participated in yet?

Oil cooler wont do anything for you on the street, and has the potential to cause more hassles than its worth (leaks).

Who knows, you may start autocrossing and stick with that, in which case you dont need either.

Or if you wnat to do some driving schools on track, you should at least do a few of them before you decide its something you want to make a hobby of - and can afford it - it will run you about $500/weekend (entry fee, hotel, gas, brake pads, etc, etc).

 

There would be no downsides to adding the baffled oil pan, other than cost.

I agree with RJ's comments about not needing either for autocross though

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lopey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So I feel the next mod I should get should have something to do with increasing the longevity of my engine. I have not yet but am planning on doing my fair share of road racing and autocrossing. I am trying to decide between getting an ITR oil cooler or getting a mugen baffled oil pan with spoon heat barrier tape stuck to it. I can't do both because of financial reasons. This is on my gsr, so which way do you guys think I should go? Opinions please.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Those modifications are for those who drive their cars on road courses.... it isn't something that is necessary for autox or the street. And a thicker oil won't help.

So, I would do none of those modifications, until it becomes necessary that they are needed.

 

he was asking which one to get, not you're witty nonsense opinion, thanks

 

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Nonsense?

How much autocross/opentrack/race experience do you have?

I'm not trying to be a pain in the ***, but i think its silly to waste money.

 

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Those modifications are for those who drive their cars on road courses.... it isn't something that is necessary for autox or the street. And a thicker oil won't help.

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Being necessary for autox or the street? That sounds like a matter of opinion. Also, where is it defined that they become necessary and/or needed.

 

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Where you will damage your vehicle if they are not added?

 

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I was trying to be helpful. Unlike you. If for some reason I gave off the sense of being rude or witty, sorry, wasn't intended.

I spent an entire season of track events before I figured out that I needed an oil cooler, and that it wasn't something more serious like oil rings, or something in the head.

As for a baffled oil pan, a lot of people will say it isn't necessary if your oil pan is full, which it should be.

sneaky - what I meant by 'if they become necessary' is if you have a problem with oil starvation or an oil temp problem. Why spend the money on preventative measure-type parts if you aren't even sure you'll need them?

Chris - starting to see he has a troll following him around who thinks he's really clever.

 

Oh good grief - not this silly debate again.

btw - I know many people who use baffled oil pans for autox out of necessity...

 

Jon - Did they put in the pan after they determined that they had an oil starvation problem, or just used it 'in case'? I know the answer, since you said 'out of necessity'. Of course they diagnosed the problem and found a preventative measure. You could spend a whole ton of money on being proactive, sure, but it is possible it would be wasted. Sometimes it helps to instead react to the situation and make modifications out of necessity. So, i'm in agreement with you Jon, but the rest of this thread seems to think otherwise....

My personal opinion is: why spend money on things you may not need? Might as well find out if you will need them before you spend the money. (i.e., actually go to autox or the track or both if that is what is intended, as stated by the thread starter, then you can figure out if you need an oil cooler or pan.)

I'm not arguing, but isn't the purpose of this board to share information and use some logic???? I don't understand why logic can't be applied to all these non-sensical situations brought up on here. I get 'flamed' and/or told I'm flaming for offering a logical explanation????

 

Chris, I agree with you on all points - I know you are a sensible person. I do sometimes get tired of people that track their car more than others (I'm not pointing fingers here at anybody) at times getting a bit overbearing becasue they feel they "know it all".

Sometimes the best thing to do is let people learn and know when to make a point when the person is willing to listen. Even if you are right, people don't always want to hear over and over again (from everybody on the board) that they don't know anything...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Flux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Chris, I agree with you on all points - I know you are a sensible person. I do sometimes get tired of people that track their car more than others (I'm not pointing fingers here at anybody) at times getting a bit overbearing becasue they feel they "know it all".

Sometimes the best thing to do is let people learn and know when to make a point when the person is willing to listen. Even if you are right, people don't always want to hear over and over again (from everybody on the board) that they don't know anything...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wholeheartedly agree.

I may have given off the track know-it-all mentality, but know it wasn't intended.

 

maybe get oem (itr oil cooler), get temp/pressure gauge and take it from there.. it might not hurt to up oil weight for when you race.. higher oil weights can take more heat and not break down as easy.

 

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Waste money on something for an activity that he hasnt even participated in yet?

Oil cooler wont do anything for you on the street, and has the potential to cause more hassles than its worth (leaks).

Who knows, you may start autocrossing and stick with that, in which case you dont need either.

Or if you wnat to do some driving schools on track, you should at least do a few of them before you decide its something you want to make a hobby of - and can afford it - it will run you about $500/weekend (entry fee, hotel, gas, brake pads, etc, etc).</TD></TR></TABLE>


yeah... an expensive, but satisfying addiction

 

I think you should get a good header or just leave it stock.

 

thanks for all the replys guys. First off, I have already considered going to race driving school. A friend of mine who autox a corvette suggested I just learn from going to local events and talking to people at the track. Sounds like it would be cheaper,more fun, and more practical than instruction and traveling. As far as not needing either mod, the way I see it, it just provides more insurance against spinning a rod bearing. C'mon, I started with a 170 hp engine and modified it 230 hp. I think we will see an increase in oil temp and operating temp at sustained high rpm use