buck02

i have heard lots of good things about this stuff i found one topic on this but not very detailed wanted to know what you guys think of this stuff and if its good to run on hondas the only thing i can see i dont like is running a propane bottle in the rear of my car but besides that i seen massive increases please help and any comment will help on this subjest i search and found 1 so i want ted see if we can get some of those tuning guy to through som input on this subject please

piscorpio

Where did you hear about propane injection, that just sounds scary.

buck02

my friend runs it on his 3000 gt and 240sx s13
and he loves it but the bottle looks like **** but man its so awsome i want you guys idea on this for turbo hondas

xtal

It works really well. I don't have much more information. We will be trying it in the spring when we get the engine back in the project car, I can't get race fuel or tolulene easily around these parts..

4-banging

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quit watching "Trucks" on Spike TV

0KStuned

I personally don't know anything about it, but I have heard from a shop owner/tuner that I trust that it is going to be very effective. I am sure more people will be doing it soon!

For me, I will be using water/methanol injection instead. PLEASE let us know how it goes on your car, I would love to hear about it.

Bnjmn

Meth is the way to go. there is no reason to choose propane over meth.

Buraku

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oh really? does meth have an octane rating of 115+? Does meth enter the charge pipes are extremely low temperatures? No, meth sux.

buck02

i dont watch much television shows with my buisness i dont have time but they show this propane oin ther i might need to start wacthing tv more often and find this **** out i hear from my friend he likes it but i want to get the honda gurus opions

Bnjmn

do some research before you post complete BS.

buck02

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here we go cant get no help from this guy wants to post garbage that no one wants to read dont post if you cant help

Foozball26

lol about watching trucks on spike tv

he was using it on a diesel engine which is totally different than using it on a gasoline motor.

best thing for you to do is find people that would basically NEED to run it, such as high hp supra guys (if they don't use race gas)

marketing will make any product sound awesome, find some hands on experience with it.

Foozball26

oh btw i see a new H-T bandwagon comming and propane injection is about to hop on board.

Bnjmn

I don't know why I'm even replying to this since you are saying that I'm posting crap but before you started complaining that no one helps you, at least do a search on google. There is more information that you can shake a stick.
Also look on Supraforums.com. The Buick guys are heavy into meth as well.
this website is down (temporarily), but he sells a great meth kit http://www.derekdevises.com.

Meth will deliver sub freezing intake temps and you don't have that ludicrous canister in your car. The effective octane rating is extremely high. CART cars on meth were able to get 900hp out of 2.65 liters, no intercooler. That was pure meth, but it should give you an idea of the effective octane and cooling properties.

buck02

man thanks so much i appreciate it sorry about that before but that what i like to hear help i will check that out i just want some advice from the honda gurus on propane thanks man

boosted92

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Sorry pal, but you're WAY off. I'm not sure what octane rating meth is, but it resists detonation FAR better than propane. Drag cars running meth run so cool that 95% of them don't need to run an intercooler. My friends fairlane drag car runs on meth, has almost 13:1 compression, and he runs almost 30 pounds of non-intercooled boost through it, and the charge pipes have built up condensation because the meth has such a high specific heat capacity compared to gasoline. On my friends Gn with a TE44, TH downpipe, no exhaust, powerstroke front mount and a thrasher 104 chip IAT's hardly dipped spraying propane (10-15 degrees) but spraying alcohol/methanol through an SMC kit there was a consistent 50-60 degree drop. They both perform about the same on a motor, so the real question of which one to get is convenience. If you want a cheap kit to buy off the bat, and find it isn't much trouble to keep filling up the tank, go with alky. If you want something that is cheap to refil, easy to refil, but is a little more of a hassle with the bottle, go with propane.

Buraku

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bnjmn &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know why I'm even replying to this since you are saying that I'm posting crap but before you started complaining that no one helps you, at least do a search on google. There is more information that you can shake a stick.
Also look on Supraforums.com. The Buick guys are heavy into meth as well.
this website is down (temporarily), but he sells a great meth kit http://www.derekdevises.com.

Meth will deliver sub freezing intake temps and you don't have that ludicrous canister in your car. The effective octane rating is extremely high. CART cars on meth were able to get 900hp out of 2.65 liters, no intercooler. That was pure meth, but it should give you an idea of the effective octane and cooling properties.


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You are talking about running 100% meth. PURE meth has an octane rating of 102, but what you guys are running is NOT pure meth, it is severly diluted ****. 100% meth is nice, but its very expensive and not easily obtainable.

edit:

vpracing fuel sells 5 gallons of meth for $45, that is not cheap. I dont see meth at my local track either. All of the meth people I have seen run winshield washer fluid. WTF am I saying that is wrong?


Modified by Buraku at 1:00 AM 12/10/2003

Bnjmn

stop posting, really, just stop. You are making us all dumber.

xtal

Propane has the potential to be easier. You need to have that tank in your car though.. actually I think some old civics? had OEM propane injection, I remember reading something about that in one of the service manuals, but maybe I'm getting my head mixed up.

Water/methanol injection is done for a completely different reason.. the methanol has a negigible effect on power.. it's done to cool down the intake charge - pure water is the best, it's specific heat is sick.. it's often used in conjunction with methanol.. because water freezes.

I'll probably try both just to see how it works, we want the water injection for hot days going lapping..

boosted92

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If you're looking at a road course beast, go with the water injection! My friend runs an open-track 88 mustang coupe with a built 331 and a YS-trim non-intercooled and he runs one of those aquamist water injection kits thats variable by airflow from the maf, boost pressure, and RPM's, and after a few laps in 90 degree heat running the car hard there was condensation on the upper intake and the charge pipe after the nozzle

spoolinlude

OK kids, i can listen no more.... its time for a chem lesson!! yay

First off, stick with methonal injection on a honda, not sure about racing sanctioning bodies, but i'd guess its illegal still..... with that said it does however work wonders. Run enough of it, or should I say burn enough fast enough, your engine won't need a radiator, hence none on the drag cars..... the **** heats up, add more fuel.... wierd how it works

Secondly....... 100% methyl alcohol is impossible, it will only bond with a 98% methly alcohol percentage........ and even that high.... BOOM, from what i have seen, 70% is pushing it........ but I can't be held to truth with that, I don't play around on alcohol cars too often

Lastly, leave the propane to the diesels......... that **** is AMAZING in a diesel.... i've seen as much as a 200hp increase and a 350!!!!!! ftlb torque increase, simply by using propane injection

EDIT::: in drag racing, depending on which class, meth injection is legal in some form, sorry for the unclearness!

Buraku

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After furthur research, I was wrong on a few pts. thx for rudely pointing it out I still like propane better

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Why not run both? I am running propane injection and water injection love them both. 110 octane all the time plus the awesome benefits of water injection. If you are looking for more information about propane injection you should check out http://www.H20injection.com there is a lot of inf. about propane injection. propane and water injection are both nice PURE meth is corrosive to aluminum, this is ok in a race car but a street car I would never even think about it. Propane injection and water injection give very good results in two different ways! Propane is delivered into the engine in a gaseous form not a liquid like gasoline, this reduces hot spots, propane also has a octane rating of 110 we all know higher octane more boost less to NO knock. Water injection reduces charge air temps by absorbing heat, this is done when the water turns from water to steam in the charge pipes/ cylinders. Water injection and propane injection are both great. They serve similar goals but reach the those goals in a different way. I have a 1995 talon TSi and running propane & water injection and love them both

You can find pics of my set up at

http://www.cardomain.com/id/spooledu
http://www.H20injection.com

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30psi Teg

You know what I would like to see done is, Methanol/ Nitro Methane injection. From what I have read is that Nitro unlike most fuels dosnt seem to have a specific air/fuel ratio and when using a lot of it, the air/fuel ratio almost becomes non-existant. So basically the more Nitro you can force in the more power you can make. hmmmm I think I just inspired a possible experiment.