Floyd

I have heard advice from some that removing the dust shields from behind the rotors will aid in cooling the brakes under heavy use at the track. I have also heard that the dust shields are actually designed to redirect air to the rotors to aid in cooling.

So, what are your opinions on this one? And, how difficult is it to do? Does it involve removing the entire rotor assembly?

Thanks,

Floyd

R264

Removing them definitely helps your rotors run cooler, they DO NOT help cool the rotors in fact they keep air from getting to them. Taking them off is very easy and involves removing 2 screws and using some tin snips, if you want to keep them intact then you have to remove the hub.

Type Goch

are there any negative affects from removing the shields?

Dropspeed

Dust. j/k They are in place to keep road debrie away from the rotor. However they do hinder the airflow on the backside.

Mattj

RyanR

"Taking them off is very easy and involves removing 2 screws and using some tin snips..." HA, you've obviously never taken them off before. The rear is pretty easy if you take the hub off, the front is nearly impossible if you don't take off the hub. It's very difficult to even get some tin snips that can cut that metal in between the hub and the heat shield. The only way to really do it is to take the hub off and then take off the heat shield. But remember, if you press out the hub you have to replace the wheel bearings. And they're not cheap, about $60 each.

D

actually, removal from the front is incredibly easy, once you remove the rotor, remove the 3 retaining screws that hold the shield onto the knuckle, use a pair of vise grips, pliers etc... to back out the screws by the head...since you can't get a screwdriver in there... once the shield is loose, it's no problem to cut the caliper side of the dust shield.

cmon, post some good info retards.

D

XR4racer

Heh..Heh.. D!

R264

Thank you sir, the fronts are very easy to remove, haven't tried the backs but don't really think taking them off does much good and could do some bad. I have had my fronts off for a long time and had no side effects except cooler brakes.

RyanR

Are you calling me a retard?

D

not exactly, but the information you posted was pretty retarded.

D

RyanR

I'm just going to assume that your responding like that because of the terrible events of yesterday and because your upset about that. Had those things not happened yesterday my answer to you would be a lot different.

Back in Black

Hehe, I think I can say that D is just being himself Right, D?

D

hell, assume whatever you want.... but at least accept the fact that what you posted was completly wrong.

D

RyanR

Why would I accept it as being wrong when I know for a fact it's very difficult and nowhere near very easy. I've done it myself on three cars. This was using a pair of metal cutters that my friend had. I finally just took off the rear and left the front alone.

Black R

hehe, D is a jackass...

-ken r0cker, who is just getting in on some controversy and post whoring at the same time...

D

well, if you still think it's difficult after doing it on 3 cars, then you are definatly a retard. sorry to hear that.

D

RyanR

Well then my answer to you is to go **** yourself. Thank you have a nice day.

GRM Scott

I think D would be a great diplomat, working on sensitive issues in some political hotbed abroad.
"you're all fucktards, and we're going to blow your **** up."

I'll be able to tell you in a little bit if i think it's hard or not, waiting for brakes to cool off...track tomorrow.

b00st-0wnz

I agree with D, I've removed them from a 97R, they aren't hard to remove. They aren't as easy as say.. removing a wheel, but not hard either.

It's only hard for those people at We Todd Did Racing.. you go there often?

RagingAngel

HAhhaha....this thread is awesome.....

I'm gonna add my little tidbit and hopefully won't get casted off as being a retard....

Has anybody mentioned that the removal of the dust shield might cause the ball joint to fail because it is no longer shielded from the radiating heat? I thought I had read this on the Kingmotorsports site with the Mugen AGBS. I seem to recall they offered something to shield the balljoint because the larger disc and modified caliper cannot clear if the dustshield is not removed.....

Does anybody remember seeing this?

RagingAngel

Hey I just found it here.....

(5) Heat-insulating material
A rear plate cannot be fitted on the Integra models 130 and above due to interference with the rotor. Removal of the rear plate involves the risk of transmitting heat directly to the lower ball joint and tie-rod ends. To prevent this, insulating material must be wound around the lower ball joint and tie-rod ends.

This material is also included in the commercial set, as hard-driving users other than Integra 130- drivers sometimes remove the rear plate.


Integra models 130 and above refers to '98 Type-Rs.

This was found @ http://www.kingmotorsports.com/produ.../tech/agbs.asp
Any comments?

D

dude, you're such a retard... heh...

actually, i did want to add something to this post. removing the heat shields isn't really going to help cooling your rotors in a track environment whatsoever, anyone telling you that it will help an appreciable ammount is, uh... delusional. only real solution is some brake ducting... which, if any of you recall the last argument i got into over rotor mass/aluminum hats/larger diameter rotors, you'll recall the many different opinions expressed. anyway, i think i updated my site with pics of my brake ducting in progress. best/cheapest solution imo.

as far as overheating the ball joint... yeah, i suppose you could wrap them in an insulator..... or you could just spend like, what, $30 on a new ball joint every time you fry one, and minimal time in labor... i dunno... i don't think it'd really be worth it for me to wrap my ball joints.

AGBS is pretty damn cool, but i don't know how many of you have that kind of cash to drop on a consumable item, ie, rotors.

D


[Modified by D, 12:54 AM 9/13/2001]

EPGONZALEZ

yeah..my moogen brakes called for the removal of the dust/heat shield...but it also came with some material to cover the ball joints with..it was just adhesive header wrap..with a little safety wire..

Asahi

I have to disagree somewhat. I ran a track event with them on when the car was new and then took them off between sessions (So it isn't all that hard) but I did notice a good bit less fade. THis was on a track that is considered moderate to easy on brakes so a hard course should be very noticable.

BudMan

Dave -

You're killing me!!! Hahahaha hehehe