I was wondering if anyone has a turbo kit from here or has heard anything about it. the price is 3899. I gonna be running it on a balanced b18c1 w/ darton sleeves w/84mm bore. eagle rods, je pistons. b16 head-port n polished, 3 angle vavle job, gsr cams, type-r valve springs and retainers, ss valves. not sure on the intake mani yet probably just the stock one off my b16 until I can afford somethin else. I I wantin to run around 15-20 psi depending. this is all gonna be in my 99 Si.
As far as tuning I'm gonna run hondata. any opinions or suggestion would be greatly appriciated. these are all the parts I'm gonna be running. the engine is not build yet. I'm still learning as I go. I'm still not for sure about the compression ratios yet. so any suggestions about would be great.
also I was wondering about my injectors. what size injectors do I need. and I would also like to do all of this on pump gas if at all possible. please fill free to post your opinions but no stupid comments.

here's the turbo kit. and the website http://www.full-race.com
Full Race Equal Length Manifold
Full Race "Back Door" Intercooler
Full Race Downpipe
Garrett T3/T60-1 or Garrett T4/T04E 60 Trim Turbo
Tial 40mm Wastegate
Tial 50mm Blow Off Valve
Aluminum Intercooler Piping
Full Race Oil Line Kit
Silicon Couplers/Hose Clamps

 

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But stupid questions are allowed


First this board has a search feature in the top right of your screen.
Now, what are your power goals?

 

Hey I'm only tryin to learn. If you gonna be a punk about it don't even post. I don't care if you correct me on something cause like I said I new at all of this and I'm only trying to learn. this is my first turbo build up and I need all the help I can get. I work hard for what I have and I don't want to mess it up because of the lack of knowledge. that's why I ask question. so if you would like to help me that would be great. but if you just gonna make fun of me or be a jerk then you can stop wasting my time.

 

Full race is a very nice kit if you have the $$. Equal Length manifold shorter intercooler piping from the back door intercooler.

But if you cant afford a intake manifold for $250 how can you afford $4000, plus you still need a better fuel system, probably some type of engine management, boost controller, and some guages to complete the kit.

 

the reason I said that about he manifold is cause I spent 1800 on the block. and the full race kit is gonna set me back 4000. I'm not rich so this is gonna be my winter project. as far as engine management i'm gonna run hondata. and as far as gauges go I'm gonna try defi gauges. as far as the boost controlls my friends gonna get my a price on a greddy profec b. I appriciate the help.

 

If u plan on running 15+ psi id get better rods. Search the forum and u will defenitally get the idea. The generaly speaking they can't take more than 350-400hp. And your injestors would have to be in the 500-700cc range.

 

I dont understand why you would spend thousand of dollard on sleeving and no get good rods, never heard of anything good about eagle rods.

 

1800 for the block what did that include mine was over 2000 did you get the line bore done.

 

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I know your trying to learn - and I am trying to help :sigh: I asked what your power goals are because you wanted to know what injectors to get.

I told you to use the search feature, because if you did I wouldn't have to ask you that question, and you wouldn't be asking about full race kits.

I am not being a jerk - in fact you are - I offered help, you resorted to name calling. Why do you think you are entitled to being spoon fed when the rest of us have worked for our knowledge (if you can call using the search feature and reading posts work)

I am not about to reward your laziness -

Now if you understand, what are your power goals?

 

this is in reply to leadfoot78 also...you guys must be on the H-T bandwagon with the Full-Race craze...My intentions are not to water down or make a mockery of the excellence in Full-Race products or anybody else for that matter...but Eagle Rods are not as subpar as everyone thinks... https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=2...you two guys along with the postee of this subject should look very closely at the #3 & #8 post on that page and take heed...if you want look up Eagle Rods on the search function I'm sure something will come up and also look at the power this guy is making at only 10.5psi...I'd use 'em as well as plenty of other board members here on H-T...Don't mean to offend anyone just my .02...Peace

 

thanks for the reply. the guy at the machine shop recommended them that why I said that. I guess i"ll will look into something better. thanks again.

 

The Full-Race Rods, made by Manley, are excellent rods. I will be upgrading to them soon.

As to your question about their kit, I highly recommend it. IMO I believe that everything that they use is top notch, from their IC to their Mani, to their WG and BOV. And dont forget their very own T3/T67 that they make.

 

ok now that we understand each other. I'm lookin to reach the 400 hp range atleast. so like I said I would greatly appriciate any help. sorry if I offended you and I'm not lazy I'm just new to the whole h-t website.

 

I would get 720 cc. Well, I would get some even bigger, because I like to plan ahead. But with the 720s you would have no problem getting 400 hp from the engine.


Modified by slashDEVslashNULL at 9:21 PM 11/10/2003

 

you can reach 400whp on pump gas with a good tune/ems. choose an ultimate power goal (hard to do since you always want more ) and that will help with your part selection. for example, if you only want 400whp then you can reach that goal with a smaller t3/t04e and decent sized injectors/pump. also consider what kind of driving you want to do? road racing or drag?

 

eagle rods have made a lot of power and will still hold a lot of power. jump off the bandwagon. sure its better to have more comfort but i remember a yr ago when everyone was on the EAGLE bandwagon and dissing crower!!!thats a FACT.

 

well I say 400whp cause I don't want to sound like a idiot and throw out some rediculas amount. but I have seen people with the same basic setup as me with as much as 475whp and sometimes a little more. I mainly drag race. I went to an autox event last week with my basically stock Si. and I had fun, but I for some reason love the fellin of straight line acceleration.

My only other question is what compression ration should I run. I have been doing some searches and for the kinda power I'm wantin to run it seems like the majority of people are runin like 8.5:1 The guy at the machine shop that is gonna do the balancing and do all my headwork said 8.8:1

 

Here is a good link on low vs high compression. I would personally do 9.0:1.

 

You beat me to it. If you want piece of mind, then upgrade the rod bolts. Not dissing other rods cuz I know they are bad ***, just dont be soo quick to dog the Eagles.

 

you don't want to run that low of a CR. 9.5:1 is average i'd say now-a-days. lots of guys run 10+

the kit is awesome. i have one. not only is the parts great, but the service is awesome. i was missing a gasket- and i had it in 2 days. i asked for an extra coupling, and i had it in 2 days. both times, free of charge. best shop i've dealt with.

and furthermore, i am running eagle rods. i've seen 400 whp off stock rods, there is no reason why the eagles wont hold it either. i blame the tuner.

 

Thanks. that was very helpful. I think I'm gonna do like the guy said at the machine shop. he told me that an 8.5 or 8.8 would be just about right. What kinda rods would you recommend. I'm gonna do a search and see what others say but i just want to know your own opinion.

 

w/ 9.5:1 or higher could there be detenation problems. cause I wantin to be able to run around 20-22 psi. j/w

 

I run the Full-Race Kit and on my last dyno run I made 342whp on a mustang dyno which translates to about 390whp on a dynojet. This was done on 10.5psi on my Type-R block. I run 92 octane, and EAGLE RODS. Whoever said not a lot of people have had success with Eagle rods is total B.S. Don't jump on the honda-tech bandwagon. If stock rods can handle 400whp with proper tuning then Eagle's will handle that and more. Damn, I just proved it and may other people have as well. Install them right and you'll be fine. Also I shouldn't say I run there kit, I just run their manifold. Good stuff!

 

I would get Pauter Rods. I remember earl posting that he had a piston melt on to one, and after a little clean up the rod was flawless.

Do you have the pistons already? If not I would suggest CP pistons.
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This is also a good link about pauter rods vs Crower.




Modified by slashDEVslashNULL at 10:38 PM 11/10/2003

 

Hey hey, I DIDN'T say Eagle rods are a POS. I said that they are understod to handle around 400hp, however like every thing, that is relative to the tunning and the attention to detail when assembling the block. Also like with the stock rods the rod bolts are the weakest part since they are the smallest from all the aftermarket rods(I think). With bigger bolts the rods can handle more power than 95% of us will ever make.