what did yall think about the swap article? reading through the article i thought the step-by-step instructions for the wiring were very helpful. any of yall that have already done the swap, was there anything you did different than the article reccomended?

 

Lots of misinformation in that article. The wiring parts was pretty much dead on but heres some stuff we found that should be changed.

-5th gen dont need a new tranny mount bracket welded on for a 5 spd conversion.. I thought it just needed the clutch pedal bracket welded???

-ex accords dont have different front brake sizing than lx and dx

-94/95 accord isnt a 4th gen

-they say get a 97 prelude ecu but doesnt it comes with an immobilizer?

-they say to avoid h22a4 but all 97+ ludes came with h22a4

-easier to shave driver side mount not cut

-using more prelude mounts leads to crooked engine in engine bay i think

-they used prelude axles instead of accord

-would of been easier to use accord power steering pump and line and prelude bracket

-they used a cixic dx map sensor when they could of pulled it off of the accord motor

-stock h22 ecu rev to 8200 rpm

Anybody else find some misinformation in that article?

 

I honestly think its better to use the prelude axles in a 5th gen accord. I tried using the accord axles for a while, then had problems with the driver side axle popping out of the intermediate shaft, and passenger side just a hair on the short side. Broken too many accord axles, and decided to go with prelude. Have had no problems since, but then again maybe ill break some prelude axles in the near future (knock on wood)

 

stock H22 revs up to 8200???

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by After_Burner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stock H22 revs up to 8200??? </TD></TR></TABLE>
no man... he's saying the SCC article was way off on that one. i think it revs up to 7200.

 

how do you use the accord map sensor if its connected to the accord's throttle body?

 

prelude axles are longer than accord axles and the length becomes a problem during compression, awhich is made worse with a lowered vehicle.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by v4lu3s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">prelude axles are longer than accord axles and the length becomes a problem during compression, awhich is made worse with a lowered vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE>
but aren't the 1992-1996 PRelude Si VTEC axles the best fit for a 1996-1997 Accord? They seem to be for me.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by prjct94accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do you use the accord map sensor if its connected to the accord's throttle body?</TD></TR></TABLE>

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map sensors just unscrew

 

i agree, here's my $.02:

-5th gen dont need a new tranny mount bracket welded on for a 5 spd conversion.. I thought it just needed the clutch pedal bracket welded???
- yes, they do. if you are like me and had an automatic, the hole you are supposed to use for the 5-speed has been welded shut. so there are two options: drill it out or weld in the new mount with full structural rigidity.

-ex accords dont have different front brake sizing than lx and dx
-true

-94/95 accord isnt a 4th gen
-true dat too

-they say get a 97 prelude ecu but doesnt it comes with an immobilizer?
-true dat too!! 1997 up preludes have an immobilizer that NO ONE can get around, and if they do, they do not guarantee it will work. this part sucks...

-they say to avoid h22a4 but all 97+ ludes came with h22a4
-misinformation here too. this is all that is available (if you want to stay within the rules for smog), so that was something else stupid they printed.

-easier to shave driver side mount not cut
-not necessary, and as you say, you can just "shave" a 1996 prelude mount to fit.

-using more prelude mounts leads to crooked engine in engine bay i think
-not true. i used 4th gen Prelude mounts and everything is perfectly lined up. plus i got the inserts.

-they used prelude axles instead of accord
-if you are like me and had an auto, then you have to buy new axles becasue the autos only came with 2 (no intermediate shaft).

-would of been easier to use accord power steering pump and line and prelude bracket
-true again

-they used a cixic dx map sensor when they could of pulled it off of the accord motor
-true dat as well.

-stock h22 ecu rev to 8200 rpm
-exactly. (still trying to figure out a way around that one)

Sorry to repeat anything, but i think that they did need an *** straightening and i think it's good to finish up the question you posed earlier.

But they did have some good points in the article:
1. the new Hasport mount is coming out in January, so you can take out the washers and 1996 Prelude mount we're all using.
2. Hasport will build/modify your wiring harness for you
3. it proves that MAGAZINES ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT AND DO NOT ALWAYS KNOW EVERYTHING for that one!!

 

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but aren't the 1992-1996 PRelude Si VTEC axles the best fit for a 1996-1997 Accord? They seem to be for me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well they are differnet length, they may be close enough to work, but that doesnt mean they meet oem spsecs for length.

 

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well they are differnet length, they may be close enough to work, but that doesnt mean they meet oem spsecs for length.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what's the difference in length? and is it just the outer shafts, nor the intermediate shaft?

 

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-they say get a 97 prelude ecu but doesnt it comes with an immobilizer?
-true dat too!! 1997 up preludes have an immobilizer that NO ONE can get around, and if they do, they do not guarantee it will work. this part sucks...

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I have a few questions about this. If I get the obdII to obdI harness like this one, http://groupbuycenter.com/buy.aspx?id=12289, and hook up a p72 will it still be considered street legal? Pretty much is doing an obdII to obdI conversion legal at all? Has anyone figured a way to bypass the immobilizer or get it to work? Thanks.

 

actually, thats exactly what i did to my 97 accord by getting a 99 prelude, taking the ecu and taking out the immobilizer system!

i dont exactly know all the details, but, it could be done!!

 

i would be highly interested in how you did that, and who you got to do it. i would actually pay for that kind of thing. PM me if you would please...

and whoaitslen2, you're right, OBDII to OBDI is illegal. Plus the P72 would have to get chipped. it doesn't have the right fuel map for the H22, and the timing is a bit off i hear too. any tampering with of the electronics that control any government mandated function on a car is illegal and you won't be able to pass the state ref. if After_Burner here is right though, we all may be in for a sweet surprise.

After_Burner, we await your response...

 

precord96, i see you made some impressive figures on the dyno. what mods do you have?

 

for the axle lengths it is the cv shaft that is a diff length. i am at home and do not have any of my books here but i can cite the exact lengths when i do have my books at home (i usually keep them in my garage), and the difference is around 1/2 an inch. On another hybrid i have already seen waht happens with 1/2 an inch too short....

 

that's not good to hear. so it is actually the shaft that is different lengths between the CV joints on both sides? not good. if you could validate, that would be awesome...

 

i went to my friends shop (Garage Five) and basically, they were stumped like u guys about it, until one day, some electronics dude came in and ease dropped into the conversation about my ecu! then, the guy goes, "sorry guys, i dont mean to interrupt, but, it could be done"....

basically, he told my friends to send it down to the states to this one electronics whiz!

obviously, that doesnt tell u anything, but, just to give u an idea of what happened!
therefore, i really dont have a clue!

I shall ask my friends this thurs!!
wait for the response then! :&gt;

 

You think an obdII gsr ecu would work since it doesnt come with an immobilizer?

 

it will "work", but not great. i have one now and it runs a little cleaner, but the timing is off, the fueling is off, and there are some pin differences too i believe.

 

i think the p72 sucks for the h22a.
i ran one on my h22a civic for a while and it was great power til 3500 rpm and then no power again til like 5500 rpm
so it was either drive like a little old lady or floor it all the time
though it was good for passing emissions....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by After_Burner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i went to my friends shop (Garage Five) and basically, they were stumped like u guys about it, until one day, some electronics dude came in and ease dropped into the conversation about my ecu! then, the guy goes, "sorry guys, i dont mean to interrupt, but, it could be done"....

basically, he told my friends to send it down to the states to this one electronics whiz!

obviously, that doesnt tell u anything, but, just to give u an idea of what happened!
therefore, i really dont have a clue!

I shall ask my friends this thurs!!
wait for the response then! :&gt;

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okay, waiting. quite impatiently i might add.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by After_Burner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i went to my friends shop (Garage Five) and basically, they were stumped like u guys about it, until one day, some electronics dude came in and ease dropped into the conversation about my ecu! then, the guy goes, "sorry guys, i dont mean to interrupt, but, it could be done"....

basically, he told my friends to send it down to the states to this one electronics whiz!

obviously, that doesnt tell u anything, but, just to give u an idea of what happened!
therefore, i really dont have a clue!

I shall ask my friends this thurs!!
wait for the response then! :&gt;

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Any news yet After_Burner???

 

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