Hey i was wondering whats the differents in the bearings? I mean Nascar yeha i said nascar they use Honda bearing. Whats so good about the ACL bearings that everyone wants them? Acutaully im looking for some bearings but im trying to decide which one i want to get.

 

Both are good bearings. ACLs are just less expensive. You can't go wrong with either. Best of luck.

 

I always prefer to use Honda bearings but the reason you a lot of people go with ACL's is... they are CHEAPER and they have a broader range of clearance which can be dialed in more exactly... On a naturally aspirated B series bottom end I normally shoot for 0.0015" on #1,2,4,5 then 0.0017" for #3... Sometimes it just isn't possible to get what you want with OE Honda bearings but I still like them... Just my $0.02... Peace

 

ACL's will not let you down like Honda OE. Just ask any competitive racer.

LSVTECS and D16's usually will spin rod # 2 or 3 with Honda OE bearings. I have never heard of this happening with ACL's.

Here's the order of performance,

1) ACL

2) Honda OE
3) Clevite and Federal Mogul (Mains often have the tangs in the wrong place)
4) King (distributed by Topline) DONT USE OR BUY. ABSOLUTE CRAP. I have some samples.

 

Thanks everyone i think im going to run with the ACL bearings. Now the questions is where can i find some for a good price.

 

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burp anwsered your question before you even asked it!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by burp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ACL duriglide are used world wide and used by many competitive races in the DRAG RACING. Now first thing is the Price ACL can be purchased from some H-T member such as Camp1320.com for $99 check out his website at http://www.camp1320.com He hooks up all Honda-Tech members/MODS(get extra loving) ,I bought mine thru him. Camp1320 stock atleast 5 sets of all honda/acura. Fast service and great prices </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Rocket, earl also have them.
plenty of people have them at a good price.
Stan

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by burp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ACL duriglide are used world wide and used by many competitive races in the DRAG RACING. Now first thing is the Price ACL can be purchased from some H-T member such as Camp1320.com for $99 check out his website at http://www.camp1320.com He hooks up all Honda-Tech members/MODS(get extra loving) ,I bought mine thru him. Camp1320 stock atleast 5 sets of all honda/acura. Fast service and great prices
</TD></TR></TABLE>That set of ACL bearing for $99 includes all of the "mains and rods" or just rod bearings?

 

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I got mine from Kyle at KS Motorsports.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 3rdGteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That set of ACL bearing for $99 includes all of the "mains and rods" or just rod bearings?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Mains/Rods/Thrust

Yes, many sellers can get you these. Price varies from $100 to $125 for the set.

 

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The honda bearings have the crystalline lead coating that's supposed to have made the reduction in width for the B18C1 and B18C5 rods possible (from 19.5 to 17.5mm).

Do the ACL bearings have this?

Thx,

Mark

 

No ACL's don't have this. Looking at a set of ACL's v. Honda OE will be very enlightening though when you see the visible quality difference (ACL's prettier than Honda OE).

B18C OE bearings have a tetra-methyl lead (micro triangles) coating that is supposed to hold oil at the microscopic level. In practice this wears away with any bearing journal contact.

I've seen some OE GSR bearings completely fried and black. I haven't seen this with ACL's. Also ACL as do most bearings come with a thin lead electroplate that holds oil too. Some knowledgeable builders scotch brite this off though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No ACL's don't have this. Looking at a set of ACL's v. Honda OE will be very enlightening though when you see the visible quality difference (ACL's prettier than Honda OE).

B18C OE bearings have a tetra-methyl lead (micro triangles) coating that is supposed to hold oil at the microscopic level. In practice this wears away with any bearing journal contact.

I've seen some OE GSR bearings completely fried and black. I haven't seen this with ACL's. Also ACL as do most bearings come with a thin lead electroplate that holds oil too. Some knowledgeable builders scotch brite this off though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The engine I'm tearing down right now, a '97 JDM B18C-R, still has the original bearing coating intact with the exception of a small area on the #3 main journal.

I've never seen the ACL's, so I cannot compare them.

Really -- for all the discussions I've ever read I have never seen any objective measure of which might be 'better', last longer, or whatever.

People seem pleased with the ACLs, just as the ones using OEM. There's something to be said for 1/2 or less the cost too!

The nagging thing in the back of my mind is that many of you (all) are running the wider rods -- and *if* that coating helps the way the Honda designers says it does, and ACL doesn't have something equivalent (don't know), then it *could* be that the narrow rod engines B18Cs would be at a disadvantage with ACL.

I would like to know, but have yet to see convincing evidence, of a clear winner. I suppose that is good news, after a fashion. Testimonies are helpful, but you hear of people spinning bearings all the time -- so how many are due to craziness (NOS++, boost++, 11k RPM, no oil, etc), how many due to installation (workmanship / specs), how many actually due to better or poorer bearing quality?

What I'd REALLY like to see is destructive testing in a controlled environment that would yield objective measure of the performance limits for each bearing. It might just settle the matter. Any one ever heard of such a thing?

Mark

 

If you are truly curious, you can test them yourself and you will see.

The narrow GSR bearings are not a problem for ACL's. Rod bearings run about $45. Run them and you will see. That's the proof that you will need to see for yourself.

 

wow hes back! welcome back Camp1320..!

 

I bought a set from rocket, they plastigaged perfect .0015 #1245 and .0017 on 3
been running them for about 3k miles and no problems.Untill now a great investment.

 

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been running them for about 3k miles and no problems.Untill now a great investment.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dam that's perfect. The number 3 should be looser since it is the middle bearing.