I'm trying to decide whether to go with the stage 1s or 2s. This would be on a b18c1 with i/h/e, no cat, hondata.

I eventually do plan on bumping the compression...but I'm not sure when. If I threw in the stage2s/valvetrain and tuning, do you think I'll see good gains? Or would I really see the gains with higher compression?

I just don't want to have stage 2s and have dissappointing results until compression is higher.

 

you should see gains with only the cams, as long as you tune and use adj. camgears. i think compression will complement the cams for sure, but you'd still enjoy the cams til you upped the cr.

 

Dont expect TOOOO much gain w/ stock b18c1 compression w/ the skunk stage 2s. There will be people making almost as much, maybe more power with the stage 1s as you will w/ the stage 2s, but once you bump the compression, you'll see much better results.

 

i am running skunk 2 stage 2 cams right now. its worth it if your compression is very high. every since i got my car back from the shop i have to use 100 octane or more so i won't detonate. good gain, v-tec pulls hard and out.

 

What setup are you running that you need to pump 100 octane?? Is it the setup listed in your sig? If so, go have your car re-tuned, because with CTR pistons, there really shouldnt be a need to be pumping 100 octane.

 

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i can get away with NOS octane booster and 91 pump gas, but other then that i have to use 100 octane. but it looks like i just only need about 93 0r 94. my goal was to stay all motor and high compression.

anyway, you gotta love the smell of racing gas!!

 

for stage 2's, u won't see really good results with stock compression. stage 1 will most likely outdo stage 2's at stock compression. take my word for it

 

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anyway, you gotta love the smell of racing gas!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cant argue w/ the smell, but got a few things agains how much it costs

 

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Cant argue w/ the smell, but got a few things agains how much it costs </TD></TR></TABLE>

4.99 agallon at 76 station

 

i dont know what exact compression you're running, but if you've got ctr pistons, you're probably not running more than 12.x anything compression, and if you are properly tuned, you could easily do it on 91 octane.

the additional $ u spend for 100 octane, on such low compression....well whatever floats your boat.

I know plenty of guys running jun III's on stock (10.2) B16 motors and they VERY pull hard, and get 180whp+ out of it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Beave0101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont know what exact compression you're running, but if you've got ctr pistons, you're probably not running more than 12.x anything compression, and if you are properly tuned, you could easily do it on 91 octane.

the additional $ u spend for 100 octane, on such low compression....well whatever floats your boat.

I know plenty of guys running jun III's on stock (10.2) B16 motors and they VERY pull hard, and get 180whp+ out of it.</TD></TR></TABLE>


i think i just need to tune it . i havn't had a chance to do it since i got my car back. i wanted to wait til i do th five speed conversion. then tune it, but i think once it tune and ready i should be good with 91. but, when i was at the shop and we started thecar wih full tank of 91 octane and it was retardedallthe way it detonate. so had to drain the gas tank and use racing gas. money is not an issue aboutthe gas, its just finding the gas station that sells it. but lucky me, i have one just down the street

 

It kind of sucks when you have to spend about 100 something dollars a week on gas, if you drive your car everyday. My cousin won't even drive his car cause of that, and thats his daily driver!! Dumb ***!! I say get it tuned so you can drive lower octane. I don't think its worth paying all that money just cause it smells good.

 

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i agree.. stage 1's all the way unless you have 12.5+ compression...

 

I have 11.2 compression, ITR valvetrain and cams, would the stage 1's make a difference over the ITR cams? I would prefer stage 2's, but i guess my compression isnt high enough.

 

Speaking of compression, I run stage 2's and am not sure what my compression is. I'm at about 200hp with my old set up (jdm 4-1/es oval straight pipe).

What would 255 psi be at approximately? 11.4 cr?

 

I can tell you that I was dissapointed with the stage 2's
with skunk intake mani/intake/header/exhaust/vafc and cam gears I was only able to put 156 hp tho the wheels and I lost ~ 7flbs of tq from stock gsr cams
and only reving to 8k is killing me, it pulls very hard top end. Hondata and pistons to be installed soon I hope to see good # with 12:1

 

will the stage 2 work well with 10.5:1 =235 psi compression? or should i just stick with the ctr cams i have now?

 

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youd be better off keeping your CTR's... stage 2's/3's work good but, without a bump in compression, don't expect to much out of them... other mods are needed as well... I'm doing a complete build up... slapping in stage 3's can't wait

 

i just bought some stage 2s w/ the skunk valvesprings. they aren't installed because i'm not finished w/ the setup. i still need to finish the exhaust. just ordered an es oval 2.5" muffler and a 2.5" cat. hope to see good gains. they'll be going in my b18c-r motor. tuning will be done w/ my VAFC and camgears. also have a sard fpr. using a walboro 255lph pump. other little things....

 

So what do you think the lowest CR to see better gains with the Skunk2 stage2 cams vrs the stage 1 cams? 10.6.0 11.0.1 11.5.1?

 

i totally love my skunk2 stage 2's.....my hatch has a 01 gsr motor w/ skunk 2 valve train...except the valves, cams, mani, b16b tb, svafc, skunk2 chip p30 with fuel and timing curve to 10k. everything else is stock except for a gsr pump and jdm itr headers with no cat. 181 horses to the wheels. this is on stock comp with minimal modes. 181 is a pretty good gain from 149whp stock. theres no waste in the stage 2.....and it pulled me to a 13.6 @ 101mph on 2.0 60' on 205.55.15 nt555 all motor. not bad for a heavy 92 si. what gains will be seen if comp is bumped to 12.x......200whp i hope??

 

i wouldnt personally recommend Skunk2 stage 2's unless you are running 12:1 CR or higher....i have seen properly tuned stage 1's out perform stage 2's in almost every instance when the compression wasnt above 12:1.....stage 1's will bring some nice gains if they are tuned and you valve train is set...

 

Ok I have a JDM b18c with a p72 head, p72 pistons and a 1 layer head gasket, I'm running 11.1:1 CR and your saying the skunk2 stage ones are better for me?

My mods, 1 layer head gasket, CAI/Skunk2 intake manifold, DC sports 4-1 header, Car sound high flow cat, and an Apex N1 exhuast......

I just seems weird to hear that since the Skunk2 web site shows a 22hp increase over stock and a 7hp increase over the stage ones on the same engine(USDM b18c1) witch has 10:1:1 as opposed to the JDM verion with 10:6:1CR

 

if i was a baller, i would use stage 1's w/ stock compression, then in the future, when you raise the compression, slap on the stage 2's.

But i'm poor, so i'm running stage 2's with stock compression