bulldog_RS20

I DNF'd in yesterdays race due to a puncture in my rad. Before I make the repairs, I'm wondering about using Water Wetter instead of 50/50 Prestone. Is there is any downside to using this stuff in my car?

Distilled water and Redline doesn't have the same freeze protection (?) but that's not a concern...

Thanks for the advice...

Greg

Catch 22

No problems.
You'll be better off using it.

Willard

snake oil.... save your money.

bulldog_RS20

Cool. Thanks Scott... How many bottles should I get?

EDIT: Willard?

Catch 22

1 bottle of snake oil will be fine. You don't use much.

Things varied by track and weather, but my temps were 8 degrees cooler in August at CMP using the snake oil than they were in April at CMP not using the snake oil.

Willard

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Are you running hot? Don't use a band-aid to cover up something else.

jamesracing

My own experience, i have used Water Wetter for the last two years. i haven't had any problems. Even used it in my old Dodge van (old tow vehicle). Water Wetter and water only.

bulldog_RS20

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No... More of a concern of not having green sticky **** all over my engine bay if this ever happens again.

Also a few other racers had negative comments at the thought I could lay down a slick trail in front of them (or behind them which is more likely...)

Willard

IMO.. I would not have the green stuff in there while 'racing'.

bulldog_RS20

So plain 'ol water only? What's the Redline for then?

Willard

It is suppose to lube your water pump and keep the block from rusting or some jazz like that... I would use distilled water and flush often.

http://www.redlineoil.com/redlineoil/wwti.htm

Tyson

WW helps transfer of heat. its not a bandaid, i never had a problem of overheating, if i did, i wouldnt suggest using WW as a solution. its better than water, maybe willard is saying H20 is sufficient, but the other main plus is that WW has the necessary anticorrosion additives that coolant has, and water doesnt. use it, and i actually am stunned to hear you were on the track with 50/50 coolant, big no no.

jamesracing

From what i understand the water wetter keeps the water from creating bubbles. bubbles create more heat. water wetter and water only, comes from the instructions on the bottle.
not while full out but during yellows and coming off track. i am always leary of snake oil. i must say i like it. The cheapest place i found it was at baxters.


Modified by JAMES "A" at 12:01 PM 5/20/2003

krshultz

I don't remember the exact numbers (it's been YEARS) but Whitney and I, at some point, did a before and after test on the MG. Or maybe it was just me. In any event, the coolant temp was over 10 degrees cooler with WW than without.

The "band-aid" worked from one coolant system flush to another, without any other changes. I'm talking clean coolant here, not "It worked when I compared it to the 1973-vintage sludge that was in there when I bought the car."

Sold.

bulldog_RS20

Tyson - I never considered the 50/50 issue before yesterday. Maybe the PA shop I bought it from used 50/50 green stuff to protect it from the winters...(shrug)

I'll use it and see what temp diffs I can see...

Thanks for all the input!

jisu009

i run WW in all of my cars and they run a few degrees cooler as a result. It increases the heat transfer properties within your cooling system. Think of it as Gatorade for your car

Rob Dizzle

I have run WW for over 3 years on my daily driver. It only helps out with cooling.

with my higher than stock CR ratio, I have not had any problems with cooling on my stock cooling system; except distilled water and one bottle of WW

btw, i sell it for 7 bux shipped for one bottle

Catch 22

You guys are all full of ****.
Its snake oil.

phat-S

Oh the humanity!

B18CXr

but my temps were 8 degrees cooler in August at CMP using the snake oil than they were in April at CMP not using the snake oil.


the thermostat controls engine temp, unless you changed it, there is no way to lower "on track temps"


WW = total waste of $$

bottled water at the local super market is all you need

allenp

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Not necessarily true, if the thermostat is wide open in both cases, thus at maximum cooling capacity, the system with better heat transfer properties will run cooler. But since I have no experience, I have no idea whether this is the case on these engines.

B18CXr

Not necessarily true, if the thermostat is wide open in both cases, thus at maximum cooling capacity, the system with better heat transfer properties will run cooler. But since I have no experience, I have no idea whether this is the case on these engines.


sorry but no, if the coolant temp gets below the thermostat's temp rating, it will begin to close thus raising the coolant temp (i.e. it stabilizes the coolant temp)

if this is the case on these engines.

on these engines, they are very,very efficient with regards to how they cool
blah,blah, wack, wack

allenp

If I'm completely off base here, feel free to correct me, as I've not nearly the understanding you do. But here's where I'm coming from:

Say the thermostat is designed to run wide-open at 220F. Car A is running pure water, and the coolant temp is 230F. Thus, the thermostat will be open. Car B is running the exact same system but with some sort of additive that improves the heat transfer characteristics, and is running at 222F. 8 degrees cooler, but still over the wide-open temp of the thermostat.

Do I not understand how the t'stat works? It wouldn't be the first time!

Willard

Do you all know of a little item called a thermostat?
Here is a picture


Or you could ask your mechanic what one looks like (and it's location) if you are not familiar.

It has two purposes in life:
-control coolant fluid temperature
-control coolant fluid flow

This little item is quite effective at regulating the coolant temps (ie. keeping the temperature the same).... and if you can see a 5-10 degree difference in the coolant (using a analog gauge) you are a better man than I.

If your thermostat is wide open... you have other issues at hand.

If you do not have a thermostat installed in your car... you need your head checked. Orifice plates and deleted thermostats have no benefits what so ever.

Since I am not a racer and don't get much track time per year... take what I say with a grain of salt since I don't know anything.


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allenp

So besides attempting to make me look like a complete fool with thinly veiled sarcasm, you haven't answered my question.

Or you could ask your mechanic what one looks like (and it's location) if you are not familiar.

Yup, know what they look like, even changed one in my '84 Rabbit GTI.


It has two purposes in life:
-control coolant fluid temperature
-control coolant fluid flow


The t'stat, if I UNDERSTAND how it works, does NOT control temperature. It is a valve that ATTEMPTS to regulate temperature by controlling flow through the radiator. It is sensitive to coolant temperature and controls flow proportionally.

So -- if your coolant temperature is running hotter than the t'stat wide-open temperature, then it would be wide-open, no? I don't care if that means you have a problem, I never claimed I did. However, I was attempting to understand the function of the system, period.

Karl claimed he saw an 8 degree difference using the WW. Perhaps he has a digital coolant temp gage. I have no idea. My example was completely random, attempting to illustrate a point.