Anyone know how to wire up a remote start on a 5 speed?? Stereo shops around here wont do it.. How do I wire it to start without having the clutch in?? someone has to have done it here on the Honda-board.. any help GREATLY APPRECIATED! thanks in advance

 

good question, i would also like to know, bump for you

 

easy. put a light in your driver's foot area Get under your dash laying on your right side/back area. look up towards the top of your clutch peddle... there will be two switchs. One switch signals when the clutch is started to be pushed in, the other will tell when the clutch is all the way down. Now your car won't start w/o the clutch all the way down.. so that's the switch you need. find the 12v line (it's 12V's IIRC)... it should be constant. Now put your meter on the other wire(s), and find the one that shows 12v's with the clutch pushed all the way down. That's the one you want. Either you can just jumper the switch completely, or do what i did. Connect one wire from the switch to pin 30 on a relay (bosch style). Connect the other side of the clutch switch to pin 87. Now connect pin 85 to a constant 12v wire (you can use the one on the clutch for this) and connect pin 86 to the status output on your remote start (the one that goes ground when the remote start is ativated). By doing it this way, it only bypasses the clutch when you remote start it and not when someone hops in and tries to start it. As a site note, you might also want to make a "shifter kill" as I call it. If you leave your car in gear and you remote start it... it *will* drive away. ok well maybe not if it's in 3rd, 4th, or 5th. Anyhow, what you can do is rip out your center console, make an L shaped brace out of thick ABS plastic or solid metal. Drill a hole and put in a hood pin switch. position it so if the car is in 1st gear it pushes the contacts on the hood pin switch apart, but when it's in neutral it makes contact. Now ground the outside of the hood pin (crimp a circle connector onto a wire and screw it in between the hood pin and the brace). Then take the single connector on the hood pin and run a wire from there to the neutral saftey switch on the remote start (black w/white on the DEI alarms). Now, when you leave the car in 1st it won't start, which is the gear most ppl park in if it's in any gear. When you're in neutral and you remote start it, it will bypass the clutch switch and allow it to start, without nearly as much worry of it driving away.

 

its some sensor wiring in the ecu, when you step on the clutch, it tells the ecu that the clutch is pressed, and the car can be started.. so with some type of wiring, you can disable that wire, and make your car start, without the clutch.
its not always a good idea too. what if you acidently leave your car in first gear one day, and hit the button to start the car, the car wil just jump into any car infront of it, or into the garage thats infront of it haha.

 

Thanks RJR for the info.. i will let you guys know how it goes when we are finished installing it!

 

I've installed several remote starts on manuals and the one thing I ALWAYS do is wire a pin switch on the handbrake. Basically, you run the hood pin switch wire over to the handbrake and intall the switch to that when the brake in engaged the car will start but if the brake is disengaged it will not start. That way it doesn't matter what gear the car is in. Worst case scenario the car will stall out and you'll have to go take it outta gear. If you're gonna do this just make sure you pay attention to the polarity of the wire and of the switch ... if you get it backwards then you still run into the problem of your car driving off without you. And trust me ... it WILL drive off without you.

 

Its funny listening to you guys re invent the wheel.

 

FYI>> THE CAR WILL ***NOT*** STALL OUT. IT WILL MOVE and you'll burn your starter up. Don't believe me? Go try. I've demo'ed this to alot of people with manual's using my own car (I only let it do the inital jump and then shut down the remote start.) Granted with the E-Brake off it will fire right up, but it will still move with the ebrake on (starter motors do have alot of torque you know!)

 

what about the immobilizer feature that if it doesnt sense the key the car wont start? how do you get around that?

 

Several companies make transponder bypasses.

honda is one of the easiest bypass.
im not talking "key in the box" wrap style either.

 

anyone got pics of that switch? I've been down there for a while and I can't find it for ****. I have 91 integra. Thanks.

 

Wrong. The upper switch on most honda's is the full clutch disengage switch. When the pedal is pressed, the circuit is closed and the current flows to the starter-clutch relay. This relay is the sole governor of whether the car starts or not after turning the key from a physical point of view. There is no electronic way to get around this since its a physical relay that gives power to the starter.

What rjr162 said about the clutch is entirely correct, however, I along with many other educated people on this topic will highly advise you not to do it. There is a reason the local car places wont do it, they know you will forget, pop it in first one day, and maybe run someone/something over. High end alarm systems such as the Clifford AvantGuard 4 requires you to tell it you want to start in that mode before you shut down your car, exit the car while its running, and after you close your door it turns off the car while allowing it to start next time. However, if you disarm your car or an alarm is set off, this feature is automaticlaly disabled until the next time you set it.

A very knowledgable person on this topic is Tekken. Im not sure if he still pops in here often, but ask him any question about the saftey of this system. He was a professional installer for age and now works in a repossesion company taking cars back, going through all of these alarms.

 

yea, i went to a place one time and they told me they would need one of my masterkeys and that i wouldnt get it back. Can you show me one of these that isnt key in box?

 

for a 99 accord? the company I work for calls them AS-PKH2's.


http://206.191.10.60/common/manual/pkh2.pdf

that might work.

 

that looks like great information, good website too. Thanks for all the help! I had totally ruled out the remote start on my car because I thought I had to leave a "key" in a box somewhere in my car. THat didnt seem to safe to me. With this transponder what are the downsides that the website wont tell me?

 

Well, If I was gonna steal your car,

I'd just power the ground out when running input wire ( to ground) and then hot wire your car normally, crack the ignition lock and be on my way.

well, that's a bit of a lie. too much work.
I'd just skid your car up on a flat bed.

hide that box, as it is still a "key" to your car.

 

so overall, now the immobilizer system is disabled? correct? and what is different now that it is? Obviously from what you said its easy to just pull a car up onto a flatbed. basically what im getting at is what is the disadvantage to having this immobilizer disabled.

 

it only disables it when the car is remote started

 

what about a turbo timer? so you cant turn off the car in gear?
my friend who has a remote start has that

]and cant they wire it so if the car is in gear the remote would sense it and not start the car?

 

what about a turbo timer?
The company I work for has a turbo timer option ( 1 min.) of extra run time.

so you cant turn off the car in gear?
We've got what we call "ready mode" similar to 'reservation mode' mentioned above. so, you leave the car running (in neutral) with the e brake on, get out (and leave..) then you have the option of having your car run for another minute ( the turbo timer) or have it shut off right away.

The only time the clutch and the transponder are bypassed is during the remote start attempt// run time.

 

A better way and safer for the in gear no start is to use two springs and a bit of wire, set one spring in front of the shifter so that if the car is in 1st,3rd,or 5th the stick will touch the spring and do the same for the back-side when mounting the springs use nylon washers so that the springs will only ground out when touching the stick. use some wire and conncet both springs together and then to your hood pin. both circits are grounding so you should not need to isolate them. this is how i have installed many manuel tranny remote starts. the turbo timer also works great, but you must get in the habbit of arming the turbo timer( there could be a setting that the alarm or remote start unit can do this passivly. hope this helps