S2000 vs. ITR w/ I/H/E 1/4mile? Who will win?
I just bought a stock s2k and will be running my brother's ITR he just bought, however, he has I/H/E, who will win? We go to the track next friday.

 

the better driver will win......i've seen s2k's run from
15.1- 14.2 stock and ITR's the same, it all depends on
traction and the driver!!

 

What brand i/h/e does he have? Has he done any tuning? You will probably be even till about 3rd or 4th gear then you will slightly pull maybe a car or two. All up to the driver here.

 

there are about 3 guys on s2ki.com that run 13's stock, everyone else runs lower to mid 14's. ITR's with IEH can barely hit high 14's but i've seen mide to high 14's. The S2k in any event will win to what you're comparing it too. The type R is a GSR with 13 more whp and a LSD.

 

with a 2.0 60' or if you live by sea level

"this topic is like asking, who can run faster, me or you?"

except it is easy in this case to say who would win. I ran a 14.68 in my old 2000 eclipse GT and no 3 guys with BPU itr's and my roomate has a JDM BPU
Civic Type R and i could beat them pretty easy, and S2000's had no problem beating me.


[Modified by mk4007, 2:53 AM 2/13/2003]

 

I never had any problems beating ITRs with I/H/E at the track....
Usually I pass them at the top of 2nd gear...
Sometimes right of the tree...

 

This is probably the most inaccurate statement I've seen on this board for several months.

As for the question on the post, if you can launch the S2000 (this is the trickiest part of getting an S2000 going fast in a straight line) well, then you should be able to take the Type R. But don't think you're going to blow his *** out of the water or anything.

p.s. Take it easy with the clutch dumps / high rev launches. The S2000 drivetrain is very sophisticated, but not very robust. You can definitely break something even with stock engine output. Just a warning, but hey, it's your car, not mine.

 

S2K 0-60 5.3 1/4 14.0 road and track
ITR 0-60 6.1 1/4 14.7 SCC

I think the S2K should take it unless the driver doesnt know how to drive.

 

I agree. Car for car (stock of course), the S2000 definitely has the advantage only if the driver can prove it. Mid-high 13 = stock S2000 at best. Mid-high 14s = stock ITR at best.

The fastest stock Integra Type R ran a 14.6.

You could end up like some s2k owners in the low 15s. Like one guy said, it's all in how high you launch.


[Modified by SlammedBlueEM2, 5:46 AM 2/13/2003]

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=411773

S2k is faster.. Stock for stock. no doubt. s2k stock vs itr w/ IHE, but the nod still goes to the S2k with equal drivers. THAT.. and it also depends on what IHE the itr has.

 

A stock S2000 can run as fast as a 13.8, however it is not very common, and the owner has to beat on the car at launch to do it.

A stock ITR is good for anywhere from 14.2-14.8, depending on the year and whether or not its a factory freak. (Which are somewhat common)

With I/H/E, assuming he used good parts like an AEM CAI, APEXi N1, and JDM DC 4-1 he will win. However if he used any arospeed/ractive/apc/etc parts then I say the race is yours.

Hope this helps.

 

Go over to team-integra.net and check the dynographs for bolt on ITRs with 2.5" exhausts.

It only takes 170-175whp for an ITR to run a 13.7 on street tires with a good driver. Considering stock they make around 160-165 I don't find it very hard to expect the ITR to be faster.

Brock (ActiveAero) on here has slips and videos of his ITR with I/H running a 13.7 on Honda CRV wheels. He also has a dynograph saying at the time he was only making 171whp.

Depends on the track and year ITR. Last two years of ITRs got the JDM CTR cams and make slightly more whp. I've seen them run ~14.2's

 

Well said.

 

i think it's a pretty close run, but a decent launch on an S2000 will setup up an easy win.

FFs with respect to racing are the easier setups to run. With very large room for error, you can pretty much be a retarded gorilla and still drive an FF decently. Forward weight transfer naturally puts traction to the powered wheels during braking, and since most FFs aren't well balanced, traction up front during hard acceleration is never a problem (unless your putting tons of power down)

FR setups have more to think about. It takes a skilled driver to manage an FR. With that said, the average driver in an S2000 would run about the same time as an average driver in an ITR w/ ihe.

 

That is not true at all. FF's in road racing have a tendency to have dangerous understeer unless the driver knows how to left foot brake, etc. They also give less warning before losing it, and have a greater tendency to snap spin. They do have the advantage of being able to accelerate coming out of a turn without breaking the rear end loose. Drag racing a FF is harder to launch. Traction is absolutely terrible drag racing on FF cars, which is why they always run so slow compared to FR cars.

That being said, I prefer FR, however the ITR will still win this drag race with equal drivers.

 

i think you're ignorant.

mugen CAI, SMS header, SMS exhaust
or
mugen CAI, Hytech header, Hytech exhaust

if that doesn't net you 20whp, a little tuning with cam gears and a vafc will definitely net you 20whp


thanks for playing, try again.

 

common please, the only itr that beat me had i/e/h and also jun head package....
Ive raced alot of itr with just i/e/h they just seems to stay next to me until top of 2nd gear then I say byebye.....
the only cars that ever gave me hell is the WRX....(hate those damm cars, fast as hell though....)
these were raced at the 1/4 mile track.....
If top end your lookin for the s2000 will smoke any itr with an i/e/h......

 

If you understood, you'd be hammering yourself. But since you don't, why even try to opening an ignorant mind? nah i'll try...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...c.jpg.orig.jpg
look at that.. 12whp from hytech full exhaust.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...0.jpg.orig.jpg
and now mild tuning.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...0.jpg.orig.jpg
okay..now header with 18" test pipe and no b-pipe. 168->187.

Alright, you want more?



George Knighton's car. comptech ice box|jdm 4-1 header| SMSP exhaust.
prodcued 158 whp stock. Now, lets do some simple math. I hope you can follow me. 182-158=24. Now what?

You're ignorant. Know your stuff before open your mouth.
Consider yourself, OWNED.




[Modified by disordeR, 6:23 PM 2/15/2003]

 

 

any itr....ummm yeah! good for you

 

FYI, pounds are abreviated as lbs. just so you know for future reference. now, tell me, what's the fastest an s2k run in the quarter mile that YOU have seen. please.. i wanna know.

if .1 to .2 seconds is "OWNED" to you, then you are the best exaggerater in the world. oh yeah, care to admit you were wrong? cause guess what, YOU WERE. you have lost all credibility, so why even post anymore in this thread?

by the way, i believe with a mugen intake, SMSP full exhaust system and a test pipe... 190-195whp is possible. and if not, at least minor tuning will get you there.

ALSO, i believe stock itr's have weighed in around 2500-2600 lbs.

i wasn't sure if it was possibly, but you're MORE ignorant than i thought. the first time was excusable, because you didn't do your homework. this time.. oh man... STUNNAH!!!!


[Modified by disordeR, 1:27 AM 2/16/2003]

 

LOL, do not even START on grammar. Just for you, I will use proper sentence structure AND grammar. In fact, would you like me to use rhetorical strategies as well? Can you sense my sarcasm? I sure hope you can.

First off, the thread never asked for comparing a stock s2000 to a stock itr. Previously posted, by myself, I admitted stock for stock an s2000 will take an itr hands down. I agree with you, it's not a match. But, if you could read, the thread title did not ask that. DID it?

Secondly, who the hell cares about top speed? You'll never reach it in the quarter mile and you'll never reach it on an actual road course. Oh, are you not familiar with the term... "road course". You should try driving on one one of these days. Guess what? Chassis rigidity matters there (it's one of MANY factors). What does the ITR have over the s2000? That's right, chassis rigidity.

Now, you want to compare STOCK for STOCK. However, you do not take into account that the s2000 is about 32k stock and the itr is about 25k stock. That's a 7k difference. Pricewise, this is obviously an unfair match. Now, you want to compare stock for stock cars. You're stupidity in saying such a comment is like me saying, "You want fair? Let's compare a stock 996 twin turbo vs. a STOCK s2000?" Clearly, the cars are not price matched.


Anyhow, I still think it would be close. It also depends on the driver. You truly are ignorant, but that's okay. If that's what makes you happy, you must be the happiest man alive. Somebody should lock this thread so I don't get enraged anymore and nobody else loses IQ points from -SilveR SpooN-.

 

Where's the damn grammar? You bagged on me for not using, "correct" grammar, eat your own crap you hypocrite.

Moving on. I'm sorry, did I ever say the itr was more suitable than the s2000 at a road course? No I did not, I just said suspension rigidity is one of MANY factors that aid a car on a road course.

No no, please go on and on. In fact, I want you to. Make me feel inferior. Do it, I dare you. (BTW it's in your best interest you not, otherwise you'll make yourself look more of a dumb *** than you already are)

 

yo -SilveR SpooN- S2k is a nice car but it's not the best car out there , Honda is still a Honda. The ITR VS S2K in stock, it depends on the driver in the race and i bet u can't drive well with ur S2K

 

For the record, Disorder is right.

I dropped a 14.4 with just an intake; give me a header/cat, I'll bet I could hit 13's.

From your previous posts, Silver Spoon, I thought you might have some clue what you were talking about, however this thread has proven me wrong. Most driver's cannot hit 13's in thier S2K's. The average ITR owner can pull anywhere from 14.2 - 14.8 stock. Wouldn't it be easier to admit you are wrong instead of continuing to dig the hole you're in?

Regardless, my money would be on the ITR, if the owner can drive. The S2K has potential, but is harder to launch, or so I am told.

Peace