I'm thinking of installing some new bulbs most likely Xenons. I'm thinking of doing the 9005-9006 conversion. So with this then I'd be running two 9005's right? Sorry for my lack of intell, I've never installed these before. Is there a certain wattage that I should shoot for? I've seen 55W, 65W and 100W bulbs. I would want it brighter but I also want it to be legal. What type of bulb setup do you all reccommend.

Dave


[Modified by Bubble Gum Jr., 10:39 AM 1/21/2003]


[Modified by Bubble Gum Jr., 10:45 AM 1/21/2003]

 

Ok first, your Xenon bulbs are not HID. An HID kit includes d2s or d2r bulbs that you have to retrofit in your 9006 socket. You will also have ballasts that convert 12V into 12500V, the voltage needed for those bulbs to get the right light intensity. And you will have to modify your wiring too. HID bulbs are only 32w bulbs

Xenon bulbs are cheap halogens covered with blue film. They are less efficient than plain halogens since they are filtered out by the blue filming. 100watts should be better than the standard 55w, but officially they are not street legal. You should not have problems though.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>you can buy the brightest xenons here: http://www.motionr.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry there mang, but what they claim they bulbs to be is a bunch of BS.
And here is why:
-They say their 6000K Super Xenon Bulbs are filled with xenon 100%. So far, okay. But the xenon gas cools down the filament thus enabling to get a whiter light. And this is wrong. You cannot get a whiter light unless your filament is heated to a higher temperature. The only way you can do this, is by having a higher voltage, not even with more wattage, (wattage will help you brighten the light output within the same spectrum of colors). And to prove this, True HID's wattage is lower than conventionnal halogens. So the xenon gas inside the bulb allows you to increase your voltage, which renders the filament useless, instead there is an electrical arc that is formed, in turn giving you a whiter light, with a more complete color spectrum, helping you see better. The gap between electrodes in an HID bulb will determine the heat range of the arc, thus the coloration.

They say also that they have access... blablabla... to this unique coating process. So what is the link between the bulb coating process and the fact that xenon filled halogen bulbs produce a whiter light? I don't think there is any except for the fact that the coating is the only reason for the whiter-blueish light, because it filters out some of the yellow part of the halogen light. Xenon changes nothing at 12 volts, because it doesn't produce color, it's the temperature that changes coloration, as you will see next paragraph.

HID is closest that we have in car lighting technology to the sun's light. By comparison, halogens are at least twice dimmer, explaining why the yellowish output, because of a cooler filament temperature. On the other hand, the more Kelvins over the ideal 4300K, the bluer the light gets, because the spectrum of colors narrows down as red and yellow colors start fading, giving way to more blue and green colors. But again, a spectrum of light less wide is less effective because it will not reflect every color in our environment.

This is why their claim of their 6000K HID replacement bulb at $145 each as an upgrade to the stock 4300K is bullshit. And to add to the matter, their arguments about this bulb is strictly a comparison with halogen bulbs, to which an upgrade is a given. But no data or information on the improvement over the 4300K, because in fact, the 4300K are the way to go, but I suspect some company has a patent over 4300K, and no one else can manufacture without a license, so all they can do is try and sell their less efficient 6000K crap instead.

So to me this site is a bunch of BS'ing, and a lot of semi-scientific terms put together in a confusing way to let us think their bulbs are better, without them being so, and still keeping them from being sued for false representation.

Please read and understand before spreading out crap.

Jeff

Edit: sorry about all those edits, I corrected myself a few times to make this post as clear as possible.


Modified by sauceman at 12:54 AM 7/21/2003

 

who needs the X-files when we have sauseman77............................ that was some useful information and make you think twice about buying xenon bulbs

 

Skilled!
I just got a hella kit..loving it..

 

Ok I got the bulbs. I think I got ripped off they look like Halogen bulbs, the guy told me they were filled with Xenon but for some strange reason I don't believe him. Well any hoo, the bulbs are 100W. Which I'm afraid to install because first of all they're illegal and second of all I don't want to fry my harness. Since that's almost double the wattage from my previous halogen bulb which I believe is around 45W.

Dave

 

Here's the link to the bulbs that I got.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...400687804&rd=1

 

all those super white aka hid wannabe are almost the same..
the burn out fast, they burn your wires fast, they give out less light compare to stock one, the higher wattage could harm your electrical system.

 

the stock bulb is 55w and the one you getting is about 110w..
i really wish you dont post later for a burned wires in headlight..

 

Xenon bulbs are $13 at Target. HID kits are a couple hundred bucks, none at Target. Big difference.

 

nothing beat the real deal tho'
i know it's expensive..but worth everypenny..
i saved up my christmas ****, sold couple of rims for it..

 

Just want to chime in, the best output on a Halogen I have ran into is the Silverstar, I had those prior to my HID kit.

 

hahahahhahahahhaahhahahahahahhahahahahahahha
read brother..read..

 

 

I'm just looking for an upgrade for my old halogens. Does anyone know of a reputable place that sells decent Xenon fill bulbs. I would get an HID kit the problem is that I cannot afford it.

Dave

 

silverstar is the way to go..not bad for 25-30 bucks..
go grab some in autozone..dont like it? return it

 

nicely said.. ive been trying to tell people this for a long time now..but they dont listen.. they think the philips ultinon is "just as good" as 4300K, when the ultinons put out 2400 lumens.. which is only 3/4 of the output of 4300K at 3200 lumens.. funny part is.. these kids are paying MORE money for a 6000K kit than they do for a 4300K kit and they arent as good.. not to mention the road lighting is purple/violet colored.. not white.. not to mention all these 8000, 10000, and 12000K kits that are out.. they have just around the same lumen range as the guy who spent $50 on 9005 silverstars.. and the 8000K guy spent $400 - $600.. smart.

 

i did the Silvania Silverstars 9005 conversion/fitment whatever you want to call it. It's very nice, big improvment in light, but what do you expect when you're running your highbeams?! but i've also had a really nice set of Razo lightbulbs. those are nice, whiter than the SilverStars. both are a pure white, not a white/blue. i'm tryin' to find a cheap set of Razo 9005's to do the conversion b/c those 9005 are about 65w. but the regular Razo 9006's are really good too, bright.

 

actually its not good to get high wattage bulbs.. all those do is draw more current through your wires.. and the bulbs dont last..

 

Sorry mang, topic doesn't exist for your link.

 

lol..that site is a scam.. they're showing pics of REAL HID and passing it off as just halogen superwhite bulbs..


[Modified by MTK Kommander, 8:34 PM 1/26/2003]

 

Is the 9005 to 9006 conversion even legal? I mean since yo're basically driving around with your high beams on.

Dave

 

Get a life. You're just quoting another forum with other people who don't know what they're talking about. Actually, have you read this whole thread?

Or are you paid by MotionR to spread their crap?

 

LOL...prolly some 14 years old..haha

 

lol.. 6000K for automotive lighting is bullshit in itself.. why would anyone want the road in front of them to be violet colored?

6000K HID
6000K halogen