Sorry guys, don't have official results tonight. I worked most of the day for NASA, so wasn't able to get access to those numbers. That and they were pulling them from the control tower and faxing them down to the paddock, which made it hard to get my hands on anything.

Some ECHC topics:
As mentioned before:
- Kent did pull out of the race on the back stretch and into the infield after doing something that caused a lot of smoke on turn 2. He pulled onto the apron and drove at slow speed right into where I was standing. The car was running, but beyond that, no clue.
- Warren did have a collion with Tom Fowler in which Warrens front bumper and driver's-side fender were screwed over. There was (it looked like) oil on the front driver's-side corner, and I did notice that's also where his oil filter is, so I assume there was a breach in the oil lines or filter someplace. He did say, and I quote "..the engine is still good."
- There was reports over the radio that one car did have fire underneath his car. I did not catch a number, but on the last lap I did, from my vantage point, see what looked like sparks from underneath Adam Richman's CRX.
- There were 27 cars that competed in tonight's race.
- Giles lost control of the car momentarily after the checkered flag.
- Some punk-*** in a small yellow crx with a smiley face on the back reeaaaaally has severe issues.

Other issues:
- One drift competitor to slam into the concrete wall with spectators on the other side, but did so in a way that he broad-sided it, and there was minimal damage. We all saw and heard the boom though. He continued on the course to finish his lap.

One thing I would like to RANT on is this:

NASA-VA put on this event for us folks, and spent a lot of money doing it. There are people who word hard to make sure that this happens, and makes sure that everyone and everything stays safe!!!
When some punk-asses in their riced-out cars decide in the middle of the infield, between parked cars, people walking and standing around, and moving cars with people in them to do burn-outs and donuts, that is not acceptable. From my vantage point after the drift competion was done, I got in my car to drive around to the Cobetto trailer, and all of a sudden watched chaos unfold before my eyes. We had cars doing rolling burn-outs, stationary burn-outs, and to my horror, watched on ****** do donuts in a small area with people and parked cars. I put out a call to Chris and anyone else within helping distance to crack down, and we moved as rapidly as possible to stop this. It ANGERS me to see such dis-respect for an event and organization that focus on SAFETY. At one point, Chris and another gentlemen THREW themselves at the ******* in the Accord to attempt to stop him. At a VERY rapid pace (to rapid for the location) speed out from the parking area, and onto the outbound round through the tunnel. I heard Chris radio security to shut the gates, but apparently the bastard got away. The Accord has knocked over one trash barrel and either it or the debris in it hit a parked car, and at least one other gentlemen had suffered a blow to the head (don't know what hit him) that result in a profuse amount of blood flow.

Folks, this angers me, and does it to no end. I'm sure I won't be the only one who spouts off about this, and I know I'm not in a position to do much, if anything, about it. But I do know that I have a voice, and I do know that most of us here are wise enough to respect the laws of the land, but I'm asking you guys, next time you see a stupid-*** ricer try and do something smart, <U>PLEASE</U> walk up to him, pull him out of his car, and <U>SMACK THE MOTHER-******* **** OUTTA HIM!!!!!!</U>

Thank you, that is all. I will add to this as I remember it.

 

Ricers + Track = Very bad idea IMO. They cannot control themselves in public situations and the need to "represent" is far too great to hope that common sense will prevail. Put that need at a racetrack where there is real high-performance driving going on and it is a recipe for disaster. I thoroughly appreciate what Cobetto, NASA and everyone else involved is doing to grow this chapter. Unfortunately certain things are probably better off left alone. Bringing ricers to a racetrack is one of those things. The primary reason I am not there this weekend is because I do not have a car. The reason why I am not spectating/working is because after Summit Point I prefer to not deal with the blithering fucksticks who feel the need to drag race and do burnouts in the ******* parking lot all night.
We had a rather heated discussion here regarding him and his driving after Summit Point. It is kinda sad. He strikes me as an extremely friendly and extremely nice person and yet it seems like no one can say anything good about him on-track.

 

Hi drumsy, I'm the Chinese guy in the blue POLO shirt that hang with Pat "H-T: Splat" today. Ya I saw that Red Accord. They were speeding thought the HPDE parking lot and they give us the finger. But the ECHC race was great the Red 97 or newer Prelude had fire underneath his car too. But it was great to meet everybody. See you guys down at NOPI!!!

 

This isn't a ricer problem - it is an idiot problem.

I have been watching stuff like this happen since the first SCCA regional that I attended in 1979 - when rice was the stuff that came with my kungpao chicken. I have seen two cars rolled and two hit trees (the same tree actually) on the access road to Seattle International Raceway (now Pacific Raceways). Our friends in the NW could probably pick out that tree to this day, right Jon? I have seen drunks have impromptu races on closed race tracks at night, any number of paddock burn-outs, donuts in the grass fields at Portland, and acceleration tests of GrB supercars in parking lots.

To blame "ricers" misses the point and runs the risk of assigning blame to a style (some would say lifestyle, but...). Even worse, in this case the issue can be made racial by some folks and that is NOT the way to solve the problem. Any event that caters to young people needs appropriate levels of security presence and supervision. Organizational and traffic routing steps can help and it doesn't hurt to hammer on the message that racing is racing and street "racing" isn't, with posters, PA announcements and the like. Events like Hyperfest are a great opportunity to change attitudes. The driver's school idea that came up in another strand here - and other positive efforts - can make a difference.

Remember that I am (a) old, and (b) a liberal teacher-type, so it is natural that I think like this. Don't get me wrong - there can come a time when the best answer is to beat the living crap out of someone, but it is less trouble to do things proactively to avoid having to do so.

Kirk

 

I'd agree w/that statement. You don't have to drive an import to be a dumb ***. I know it's asking a lot of people, but if they'd just think for a moment....they only hurt themselves. If someone is hurt by a jerk spectator, then they cut out the spectator element as the liabilities rise??? No car show, no bikini contest, no drifting - a car event gets cut back to just a race that we can read about because we can't come watch. All some jerk has to do is mow down a pedestrian, and the gig probably gets ruined for the rest of us.

Security is the answer I guess. A few Police cars and some radios? Video tape of cars as they enter and exit, for ID'ing after someone tries to do 90mph on the access roads? Collect drivers licenses at the entrance? I don't have a clue what can be done, but it's not a new problem.....and it can be dealt with.

Basically, when you invite kids, plan on trouble.

That's coming from a guy who picked Sun over Sat to go watch the races.....

 

Yea, I saw the same thing around 10:30 Saturday night. I also saw a Blue WRX doing burnouts in the middle of the parking lot while Laura Cobetto was running after the white 4door accord...

 

Very well put

This goes for any event, though. Whether it be racing or not. There will always be stupid people within a large group. The only way to solve problems like this is to make things more strict with rules and police.

It might suck, but if it means a safer environment for everyone, it is the only way.

Mike D

 

excellent point. when i run my track school that will be a concern... _idiots_. i completely agree not all ricers are idiots. ricers are usually just clueless and we need to show them the light!

 

On the doughnuts thing, I do hope that individual is appropriately identified and handled. I believe it was Joe Henderson that took the blow to the face during the ruckus.

On the smiley face car, I am just not getting what is going on here. IF we are talking about the #50 car, he was behind me for the FCY and if there was any incident, I TOTALLY EFFIN' missed this. David and I spent from the FCY to the checkered flag within 10 feet of each other (finished .2 sec apart) and I NEVER saw ANYTHING remotely unsafe, ungentelmanly, un-anything. David drove one HELL of a race and I was giddy as a schoolgirl to have him beside me on the Sunday start (not sure why he didn't start). I was giddy NOT because I was scared or anything of the like, I was excited as a ***** that I was going to have the chance from the word "go" to continue our race from Saturday. I greatly look forward to racing side by side with him at VIR-N as that was the absolute best racing I have ever been in. And to finish off his bumper by .2 seconds was a treat and an honor. To reiterate, I had a BLAST racing him for the last several laps and I think of him to be a great and very respectful competitor on track - I never saw ANYTHING in my dash to the end that EVER made me think twice about going heads up with him in the closest quarters again.

Drums, where did it look like I was I throwing sparks btw, I am kind of concerned if I was.

 

To da muddy tizzop, y0! LMAO

Jason-
who will ALWAYS remember the pit road convo that was had following the race tonight

 

I saw the same ****. It made a great night turn bad when a NASA official was nearly run over....

 

ROTFLMAO Jason!

All: Here's the results from tonight.
&lt;PRE&gt;
H1* Jack Harris 1:26.582 Lap 14
H2* Corey Jacobs 1:26.722 4.683
H1 Todd Reid 1:26.465 4.843
H2 Jason Franza 1:26.604 9.5
H2 Jon Starnes 1:26.906 11.195
H4* Tom Fowler 1:27.225 23.275
H3* Chris Brinson 1:28.091 38.587
H4 Adam Richman 129.326 39.819
H2 Robert Williams 1:28.832 45.211
H1 Blake Meridith 1:29.898 45.595
H3 Karl Shultz 1:30.552 1:06.363
H4 Michael Stoiber 1:30.544 1:08.779
H5* Richard Floyd 1:31.647 1:19.060
H5 Chris Degioanni 1:30.720 1:23.371
H1 Chad Slagg 1:32.528 Lap 13
H5 John Whitaker 1:37.502 1:23.390
H4 David Junkins 1:30.333 Lap 8
H4 James Evans 1:28.328 Lap 3
H3 Scott Giles 1:28.123 00:00.704

* denotes class winners
&lt;/PRE&gt;

- Made me look twice, my bust Scott, this is hard to read.
- Made me look thrice, I can't tell is Jack's time is a 25 or 26, it looks like a 26.582 - can anyone confirm?




[Modified by phat-S, 1:21 AM 9/9/2002]

 

Thanks for those results so quickly!

Wow, Tom Fowler in an *H4* car was only 0.76 of a second off the fastest overall lap out there. Impressive... Too bad he wasn't driving the H2 (ITS) Prelude with about 60+ more hp on this power track.

Also what happened to Scott Giles, why is he at the back? Good job Adam, 2nd is very damned good behind Fowler considering the competition from Evans and Junkins (he sure made quite a trip up to get there!) It looks like H4 had some really good players who showed up. Anyone have results from the first race? Again thanks. Too bad not every race series out there has a board with results being posted on the day of the race.

 

unfortunatly, hyperfest = hyper-retards.

 

How about Todd Reid taking fastest lap? Way to go Todd!!!

Matt

 

Kind of interesting how 2nd place in H1 & H2 set faster fast laps than the winners - that's racing.

Scott, who awaits the reports......and RPM Tonite.......I DO miss Speed Channel, I Do.....

 

Let me set the record straight about the guy with the smiley face car.

The driver is a HIGHLY experienced racer who is, quite frankly, better than most (all?) of us. Period. I have spent a lot of time in the two Hyperfest weekends driving with this guy and can tell you as the CO-DIRECTOR OF THE SERIES that there is NOTHING wrong with the driving he's doing - except that he's humiliating a lot of easily-bruised egos. Simple as that.

Phat-S (whose opinion, as an experienced wheel-to-wheel racer in the past year I respect highly) spent a good portion of the race dicing with this guy and has told me that this driver was clean and...simply GOOD.

The car had to start from the back of the pack due to a flag issue (which NASA dealt with appropriately and according to the rules). I contend that most people reading this board are not used to seeing someone start from the back that originally qualified 3rd in a field of 27 work his way to the front.

Let me relay a little story I heard last night. A certain Someone Who We All Worship told of a story where he passed 50 CARS IN A SPRINT RACE. I SERIOUSLY doubt this was done via point-bys. Performances like this are, apparently, the kind of thing that cause people on the Internet to cry foul. If we had 50 cars in a Honda Challenge race and someone wasted 45 of us...would that drive any of you to criticize this uber-driver? Sadly, I believe that it would.

I can contribute my own experience as well. This car got by me CLEANLY and without incident. He gave plenty of room while taking the pass and certainly earned it. I gave room likewise. It was not an issue - I was being out-driven. Pure and simple. I later went to this driver for advice on how to go faster.

I am increasingly convinced that there's a line between good "school" driving and good race driving. Those who know only good "school" driving know NOT what good race driving is. And apparently, the knee-jerk reaction is to blast those who are fast (in a RACE, not a Solo 1 or a school group) in a public forum, as opposed to taking it directly to the "suspect."

It's a shame. And it happens time and time again here. You all (and you KNOW who you are) should be ashamed of yourselves.

--Karl, who wishes people who don't race (in our group...in other groups...or at all...) would stop whining about other racers...


[Modified by krshultz, 1:47 AM 9/9/2002]

 

Must...obtain...consistency

Jason-
who had the most fun on a track (and on pit road ) last night


[Modified by Jason Franza, 6:34 AM 9/9/2002]

 

Um, he was in a busted-***, worn out, wheezing-engined ITA Hatch. And he still schooled the field pretty good.
Fun weekend. Thanks to everyone who was there to make it all work.

 

I wasn't whining, I was just relaying what I heard over the radio.

 

To be honost with you, I heard the call over the radio that someone either had fire underneath or was throwing sparks, and when you passed by on the back straigh, I thought I saw something just in front your front wheels, but that is not a definite. I heard later reports it was Grant Lockwood's Prelude that was doing this, so it may not have been you at all, just a possible reflection of something....

 

From my vantage point on the track it looked as if that was where his exaust exited the vehicle, not an issue. I could be wrong, but that's what I thought I saw.

 

Morgan?

 

he's a friend of mine...broke the rim..left side of car (body wise) is smushed (no biggie) bent the lateral rod...fugger looked like a U instead of a straight line..and bent the axle..he is fine and got it towed back to raleigh

had a great time..once again good to see everyone and i cant wait for nopi :burnitdown:

chris - who has an ae86 but doesnt "drift" but can get sideways and still hit the apex...

 

David, actually the #50 car passed the #59 car and the two cars in front of the #59 car in the infield road course under yellow during the Sat nite race. This is clear on the video that was in the #59 car, and was shown to Grumpy.

Scott and Karl made a decision, not to penalize any cars which passed on yellow on the road course because they said that they could not make out the flags on the road course at that time of the day. As a result, they were not interested in looking at the tape.

They run the program and that is their decision, and they applied it to all participants. I am sure that perhaps some others passed under yellow in the infield as well.

Just wanted to set the record straight. Even though Jim D, the driver of the 59 car has issues with the #50 car, video does not lie.

I passed under yellow myself during the aborted start of the small bore race, so who am I to criticize, but racers, particularly "excellent racers" should not miss black flags, yellow flags, red flags, etc. on a consistent basis.

Great weekend overall, I missed the crap Saturday nite, but I hope they caught the idiot.

Also, kudos to Scott and Karl for all that they do, it is not easy running the program and having to deal with all the crap that goes on.

Frank DePew, co-driver and owner of the #59 type R and the #00 H1 Civic with the big wing.