Alright, up to this point, I'm thinking that life sucks big ones. I have a hell of a time getting the control arm realigned with the sub frame. I am able to get the first bolt in, but not screw it all the way. I work on the second bolt, and am about to get it in when I realize that the lower bracket bolt for my r-swaybar is right in the way of the tie bar itself! so that means i have about 1 cm distance between the tie bar and the subframe itself. If i bolt the tie bar any closer it grinds with the swaybar bracket bolt. Life sucks!...Has anyone successfully installed a benen rear lower tie with the r-swaybar? I was thinking of using a spacer and a longer bolt...wondering how effective that would be...I'm going to try and call Benen tomorrow to see what they say. Any help would be appreciated..thanks!

sorry this post was so long

 

Life sucks... because a tie-bar won't fit?

A little selfish aren't you?

 

haha I realize that I come off a little childish and selfish. When I say life sucks, i just say it without meaning it. It's my way of releasing frustration. If i had a nickel for everytime i said that phrase, I could afford all my mods with change to spare. Anyhoo, enough of the excuses...my car is up on jackstands right now. looks like I'll be bussing it to work..on the 4th of july no less. haha

 

anyone, please?! Ironically, I had a Spoon rear lower tie bar on order, but I had been waiting for 2 months. Finally, I decide to go Benen and cancel my Spoon order. From what i heard , the spoon would have fit..

 

What mounting kit did you use? BSQ's or Beak's?

 

BSQ's kit.

 

Maybe this can help.
http://www.beaksproducts.com/upgrade.html

 

ahh b18bfreak, thanks. it looks like it just might work. i'll look into it more. thanks again, man

 

junglistgsr has an ITR sway w/ BSQ kit along with a Benen tie bar.

 

As far as I know junglistgsr didn't have any problems mounting the Benen tie bar with the Type-R rear swaybar (with BSQ mounting kit). Here is a picture:

 

Ok quick suspension geometry lesson: ?

An Integra with a ITR rear sway bar and rear tie bar would make the rear super stiff obviously. How exactly would this affect cornering performance? It would enhanse rotating ability (oversteer) right? Would this make the car more or less stable? And would this be practical on the street?

 

First, the rear lower tie bar prevents any chassis flex between the two lower control arm mounting points. So it's only purpose it to stiffen up the chassis.

The Type-R rear swaybar prevents body, which in turn helps to eliminate understeer. By reducing understeer, the car's handling becomes very neutral (ie. no understeer and no oversteer). By having a neutral handling balance the car is very stable and predictable.

The Type-R rear swaybar is very practical for the street. It has no ill effect on the handling and it greatly improves the handling of the car.

 

I don't know what i could have done wrong to prevent the bar from bolting down all the way. I installed the swaybar awhile ago using BSQ's directions and it works perfectly.

In that picture above, if I bolt the tie bar any further, that swaybar bolt would be grinding against the tie bar itself. I already have a little scuff there. haha. maybe I installed the swaybar wrong, but if i did, wouldn't i definitely feel that something is wrong?

 

you could get a couple washers to space it out, i didnt need to....but if you do need to you could put those between the subframe and the tiebar to space it a little bit to prevent any grinding, i did it on my friends car with his ITR sway and lower tie bar when installing it.

 

sell me the benen tie bar if you cant get it to work

where can i get the type r sway bar at? best service and shipping time

 

I think you need longer bolts

 

Alright, I tried to install the ITR sway bar today and ran into the same problems.

Possible solutions:

1. Big *** washers between the subframe and tie bar could solve this problem.
2. Drill part of the tie bar where bottom sway bar bushing bolt is touching the tie bar.
3. Buy other brand tie bar.
4. Buy 22mm comptech or neuspeed sway bar.

Tips for future ITR-sway bar modders:
1. Stock exhaust will get in the way when trying to drill the right side hole unless you have aftermarket exhaust with thin muffler.
2. Think twice before you buy a Benen tie bar.
3. Use 5/16 inch drill bit instead of 3/8. The 3/8 will leave a slightly bigger hole for the bolts. I even tested it out with the 1/2" spacer from BSQ's kit. The 5/16 is enough.

 

Are you talking about the sway bar. I have an ITR cat back and just bought the ITR sway bar...this won't work?

 

I'm saying that once you get to the drilling stage, the muffler will be in the way. It prevented me from drilling a straight hole. I don't think it matters, but if you want a perfectly straight hole, I'd suggest you unhook the muffer first.

 

So, washers it is. That seems to be an appropriate alternative to buying a new bar altogether or buying Beak's upgrade kit. Think i'll give it a try. thanks for your input, guys.

As for the swaybar install, crooked holes are just fine! . It's getting those spot-welded nuts off that were the cause for concern. Hammering them out is hard with the exhaust in the way.

 

You can get them at any Acura Dealer. I believe Bar is like $45 the brackets and bushings (Which are always a freakin Special order) is like $30. And here's where it hurts, the endlinks are like $60-75 each. They don't sell the sway bar complete. You piece it together. That or find someone selling it and purchase a reinforcement kit. like the Beaks.

 

or know how to install one.

...i think i was one of the very first with this bar and as far as I know the first with a integra with ITR rear sway and the bar and i had absolutely zero problems with install.

 

junglistgsr, can you think of any reason why there would be an interference problem between the Benen tie bar and the Type-R rear swaybar? Is there a close tolerance between your tie bar and the swaybar? Is it possible that the Benen bar has been changed slightly? For those that have encountered a problem, does you Benen bar look similiar to the one pictured above? Just trying to figure out a resolution.

 

other than maybe needing a washer or two to make the clearance a bit more on certain cars, i cannot think of a reason anyone would have problems. my car didnt need washers to fit fine. Benen has not changed it to my knowledge and a friend of mine got one from them about a month ago. The only thing i can think of is people installing things a bit differently and needing a couple washers to space the tie-bar out so nothing rubs. Easy fix and its cheap to get washers.....i dont understand why some people are having such problems.

 

You make it sound as if I'm a ******* retard. Yeah good for you things worked out fine. This install is pretty straight forward so there's no way I could hae messed up anything in the proccess.
Did you place the washer that came with the Benen tie bar between the subframe and tie bar, or inside the tie bar bolt?

I tried installing the sway bar first, but when I tried to bolt on the tie bar, the bar itself would rub against the sway bar bushing bottom bolt.

An extra washer most likely will do the trick. The washer should be at least 1/4~3/8 inches thick. Would diameter of the washer matter?

The sway bar could be installed with the Benen tie bar if there was no BSQ kit with the 1/2 spacer though.