HOUSTONb

I have the shop manual for a 96 del Sol and need to know what if anything is different from my 99 ex?

Libertariat

You can't JUST remove the ps components, you'll have to swap the steering rack if you want to completely eliminate it.

PM padawan, he sells fantastic ps eliminating kits. you keep your steering rack, but you just loop some of the hoses etc. He can explain it better.

jdm_j03

quick question.. i have a 96 CX.. apparently it does NOT come w/ power steering, is there anyway i can put it back on.. i have B18B, and it's really annoying not having power steering cause it's my DD. thanks

Libertariat

you'll have to change the steering rack and add all the power steering lines/components, compressor.

It'd be a pain in the ***. I have PS in my car and I want it gone very badly.

Sack up.

EK9Tune

i keep my power steering seeing as im lazy *** hell, and parallel parking would be a big hassle.

HOUSTONb

I want the extra horsepower and need the work out!

Anyone know about the del Sol shop manual?

Libertariat

LOL, if your workout regimen is based on your driving you need a new one.

Slowass2dr

let me have all u power steering components and ill give u all my non power stering ones

jdm_j03

haha, yehh.. that's what someone told me, i don't know if it's worth all the trouble, i like no PS when i get rowdy w/ my car, i feel like it's more responsive with the road. but it's a pain in the *** like EK9Tune says.. to parallel park and it's my DD too... soo yeh

Lasty K

iTrader: (3)

Driving with no PS is awesome. Parallel parking, get used to it.

NOFX

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm_j03 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha, yehh.. that's what someone told me, i don't know if it's worth all the trouble, i like no PS when i get rowdy w/ my car, i feel like it's more responsive with the road. but it's a pain in the *** like EK9Tune says.. to parallel park and it's my DD too... soo yeh</TD></TR></TABLE>
More responsive? Cars with power steering actually have a tighter rack and turning radius than cars without power steering. Cars without power steering might get a little more feedback, but I've driven both and there's not really a noticeable difference.

b20beast978

MY EK HAS NO POWER STEERING, BUT AFTER A WHILE YOU GET USED TO IT AND GET BETTER RESPONSE

NOFX

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20beast978 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MY EK HAS NO POWER STEERING, BUT AFTER A WHILE YOU GET USED TO IT AND GET BETTER RESPONSE
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Again, how do you get better response?

I have a CX and an EX here, and the only difference in the steering is the CX is much more difficult to turn while driving slowly. That's about the extent of it.

Libertariat

He probably means better feedback.

IMO, ps seems kind of sloshy to me. But that could be for other reasons.

Syndacate

Ha, suckers don't get PS on DD's

PSFTMFW!!!

GOt these ... gems here who are like "omg omg omg, I'ma gain 5hp and turn my civic into a total race machine with super feedback through the steering wheel by RIPPING OUT MY POWER STEERING" - and then you wonder why the rest of the world hates Hondas...

Eran

iTrader: (1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He probably means better feedback.

IMO, ps seems kind of sloshy to me. But that could be for other reasons.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree that a manual rack gives more positive user feedback. This is a good thing and a bad thing. People that have power steering think that driving is more work without, and people without power steering seem to think driving is too touchy.

I definitely prefer driving with a manual rack, but that's because it's what I'm used to. I like the feeling of powering through the corner and pushing against the road. That's where some people may find the "sloshiness" of power steering. I feel that power steering feels almost too responsive, because my actions are assisted (mirrored in a way) by an unseen force (the power steering pump). It's almost as if the car does more than you tell it to.

This, however, is a double-edged sword. When driving like a normal person or in traffic, you have to struggle against dips and ruts far more with a manual rack. With a manual rack, it generally jerks the wheel over and you have to muscle your car back on path.

It's all about sacrifices.

NOFX

Yep. I've driven your car often enough to get stressed at the thought of driving it. While it might have not been as much of an issue back in Delaware (better roads overall), here, because of the traffic, there are more flaws in the roads such as ruts. Delaware of course has the potholes caused by the harsh winters and the sharp ruts caused by the snowplows.

With no power steering though, those flaws could be dangerous or even deadly to me. I'm just not strong enough to fight a car immediately out of a rut. It certainly helps if I'm driving on a road where I know the flaws and can expect them, but I don't know all the roads plus the conditions can change.

I've been driving 6G EXes for several years now (5-6). I don't notice a slushiness when I drive my car. It handles fine as far as I'm concerned. Then again, I think Eran's car is too choppy of a ride for me, because of the suspension set up. Maybe "rough" is a better choice of word for that.

Syndacate

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I agree that a manual rack gives more positive user feedback. This is a good thing and a bad thing. People that have power steering think that driving is more work without, and people without power steering seem to think driving is too touchy.

I definitely prefer driving with a manual rack, but that's because it's what I'm used to. I like the feeling of powering through the corner and pushing against the road. That's where some people may find the "sloshiness" of power steering. I feel that power steering feels almost too responsive, because my actions are assisted (mirrored in a way) by an unseen force (the power steering pump). It's almost as if the car does more than you tell it to.

This, however, is a double-edged sword. When driving like a normal person or in traffic, you have to struggle against dips and ruts far more with a manual rack. With a manual rack, it generally jerks the wheel over and you have to muscle your car back on path.

It's all about sacrifices.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No it's not, I don't sacrifice jack **** with my power steering.

I love it.

I didn't have power steering in my Camaro and I didn't mind not having it - but now that I have it on my car I'm not gonna be a ricer bitch and pull it out for the 1.7hp gain and the "better road response" - that's just stupid.

A guy up in middletown NY ******* wrecked his Accord after he ripped the power steering out for the "extra HP and better response" because he didn't correct enough....and he deserved to wreck 100%. Fucktard.

If your car's a CX or something and didn't come with power steering, I see absolutely NO reason to start running the lines 'n **** for power steering - that's just gay. Though if your car came WITH power steering, ripping all the liens out and looping the compressor 'n **** "for the better response" and the "extra hp" is just ******* stupid.

Most of my cars had power steering (all but 2), and I can honestly say although I didn't care enough to try to "install" power steering - I sure as hell didn't mind. On the flipside - I never had an urge to remove my power steering to "feel the road better."

I mean do you guys actually have any idea how retarded you sound? You guys seriously after sayiing all this bullshit have the nerve to wonder WHY so many people hate Honda owners?

"We're not ricers, ricers get body kits and altezzas" - "We're just getting JDM parking polls on the left side, JDM smoked headlight housings, and rip out your power steering for 'extra HP' and 'better feel.'"

So what's the actual difference between you and them? Nothing, you're both ricers. I saw a civic the other day with HEAVY smoked JDM housings - I swear to go that **** looked like it had no headlights from a distance (it was day). Looked like somebody put the whole front end back together - and didn't install the headlights.

Aside from the JDM grounding strip, this is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.

"I don't get why the cops are so biased against civics" - HA - yeah, such a mystery. .. Dammit, I hate that crap, go chop out the interior of a stock DX, pull the spare tire 'n **** and maybe you'll get into the 16's...

Libertariat

Well, say i track my car on the weekends. I could give two ***** about 2hp gain, I want to have better response and not have to fight it on turns.

Eran

iTrader: (1)

Are you trying to argue with me over something I can go out and feel the difference in right now? I have two 6th gen Civics, one with, one without.

There is a difference, there are pros and cons to each. I do get better steering feel with a manual rack, but there is no added road response, in fact, it's less responsive than power rack. Don't come in and try and **** on what I said. I'm not the ricers in here talking about "gaining HP" or "better response."

Just because you like your power steering doesn't mean everyone needs to.

Syndacate

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, say i track my car on the weekends. I could give two ***** about 2hp gain, I want to have better response and not have to fight it on turns.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh yeah, let's not forget the other part, THE HORSEPOWER ISN'T EVEN BEING TAKEN UNLESS YOU'RE TURNING THE WHEEL.

It's only a 2hp gain when you're TURNING - because that's when the pump is active, it's not doing jack **** when you're in a straight line.

F1, indy, D1, any kinda racers, are starting to use power steering - they DIDN'T before because they were like "oh yeah, no ABS, no PS, gotta feel the road 'n ****" - now they're realizing it doesn't make dick of a difference - ABS does because of the variable stopping times...but PS doesn't.

Syndacate

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you trying to argue with me over something I can go out and feel the difference in right now? I have two 6th gen Civics, one with, one without.

There is a difference, there are pros and cons to each. I do get better steering feel with a manual rack, but there is no added road response, in fact, it's less responsive than power rack. Don't come in and try and **** on what I said. I'm not the ricers in here talking about "gaining HP" or "better response."

Just because you like your power steering doesn't mean everyone needs to.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just arguing in general because pple keep ripping out their PS for the "better feel" and "more HP" and it's stupid as hell. I just happened to quote you.

It has absolutely nothing to do with me liking it or not liking it - it has to do with practicality.

HOW MUCH ROAD RESPONSE DO YOU NEED ON A DAILY DRIVER??

Eran

iTrader: (1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">F1, indy, D1, any kinda racers, are starting to use power steering - they DIDN'T before because they were like "oh yeah, no ABS, no PS, gotta feel the road 'n ****" - now they're realizing it doesn't make dick of a difference - ABS does because of the variable stopping times...but PS doesn't.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You really have no clue. You do "feel the road" better with a manual rack. There is nothing assisting you in a turn. You are using your arms to make the exact movement the car is making.

Does this mean it's better -- not necessarily. But it's a noticeable difference, and if you can't feel it, it means you don't understand what you're feeling when you drive a vehicle

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">HOW MUCH ROAD RESPONSE DO YOU NEED ON A DAILY DRIVER?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

More than 6th gen power steering offers me.

Libertariat

I favor non-ps too. my first civic didn't have it.

In fast turns my ps often scares me.

Syndacate

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You really have no clue. You do "feel the road" better with a manual rack. There is nothing assisting you in a turn. You are using your arms to make the exact movement the car is making.


Does this mean it's better -- not necessarily. But it's a noticeable difference, and if you can't feel it, it means you don't understand what you're feeling when you drive a vehicle</TD></TR></TABLE>

My camaro had NO power steering - or power assist - or power anything - and I didn't "feel the road better" - it's different, well it's a pain in the *** in parking lots, but on the road it doesn't matter. Though swapping the PS out of a daily driver because the PS is "not enough response to get you to work and back?" ...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
More than 6th gen power steering offers me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I didn't know getting groceries and driving to work required so much hardcore steering antics.

Though whatever, to each his own I suppose...

I'm just saying, I've driven tons w/, and tons w/o power steering, and the whole "feel the road" - kinda sounds like a crock of **** to me. Only difference I've noticed is in parking lots.