well first of all, its a skunk2 rear lower tie bar... i had to remove my control arms completely to install it, but it was worth it. high speed handling is so much better and i can take turns a lot faster than previously. also, now the ability for me to slide the tail out when i want is much easier. instead of the body rolling on a turn, its now just leans into it. car also feels a lil more solid, which is both good and bad. (i can feel the road more, including all cracks and bumps) i likey very much tho!

 

Pics?

-T

 

no pics of it installed... but i got a pic of the product...

 

that's sweet man. I didn't notice a bit of difference with my spoon bar.

 

Thanks man. I felt a difference probably cuz i went from nothing to something, BUT...

my theory is... hinges = its able to move and is less stiff

the spoon bar has hinges, whereas this one has the ends screw in... its almost as if it were a solid bar connecting the rear. many strut tie bars have hinges, too... however, mugen is completely solid from bracket to bracket and it does come with a hefty price tag of $300+. whereas spoon with its heavy mark ups can be had for about $150. I assume the difference in performance is minimal, but better with the solid pieces.

That just makes sense to me.

With your car, going with spoon is understandable though... you got the wheels and the whole JDM look goin... and Skunk2 is obviously not JDM.

 

Unless your chassis is pretty danged rusty, I would respectfully suggest that you are probably "feeling" something that wouldn't translate into significant time on the track. I have always thought that clean cars are faster than dirty ones, for example. Driver "feel" is notoriously unreliable...

Sorry.

Kirk

 

Stop crushing this guy's world, Kirk! I say if you're happy about spending the money, it's money well spent.

FWIW, my car gets better mileage AND faster lap times when it's clean.

-Tom

 

It just pains me to see someone spend so much $$ and busted knuckles on a project like that, when they could have used the dough to buy brake pads and track time instead!

Sorry I'm such a downer...

Kirk

 

Kirk-

Seriously, have you ever heard anyone quantify the usefulness of a rear lower tie bar? I would think (gut reaction here) that a front lower would be more effective, but don't know for sure. Any ideas?

Seems I could get an awful lot of car washes and track days for $300...

-Tom

 

well my chassis is old... 94 chassis and its been through quite a bit. install was a bit more than expected, but no busted knuckles here, just an hour of our time. the tie bar cost $100. whats goin on with my car, is the front chassis flex's allowing the front tires to grip more... i noticed the rear is now easier to break traction with... (i know cuz i do some crazy driving with my car) this is due to the reduction of chassis flex. FYI... ITR's come stock with rear low tie bars, rear trunk tie bars, lower chassis tie bars, front chassis tie bars... many upgrades over that of the conventional integra. So does anyone quantify the usefulness of a rear lower tie bar? Honda does. So go bag on Type R's now, ok?

now if the front bar is so much more effective, why would skunk2 not offer one? yet, roger foo's skunk2 civic was able to win once on the speedvision races against the many ITR's and BMW's! Using Skunk2 parts...

Any self respecting car owner would wash the car themselves, not pay for it to be done...

 

Okay, so maybe I needed to quantify...

I would think that the front lower tie bar would be more effective on a "stock" body car. The roll cage and fabrication work in Foo's old Civic would negate the need for more strengthening up front.

Going to find the wash bucket and wheel brush now...

-Tom

 

yeah same here.