Looking at testing the Project R next weekend at the CMP trackday, looking to run the LS DC4 17mm front sway bar vs. the front stock ITR 22mm.

The car has Skunk 2 adjustable coilovers, 500lbs rear and 400 front. Looking to get feedback on the rearend step out or oversteer that i will be getting.

Willard ran stock springs/shocks with 17mm and liked the rotation, i am running a little bit of a larger spring rate.....just thought i would ask. I am sure about the differance but with the longer wheel base of the Integra it should be any different then an EG with 800lbs springs and stock ITR suspension..... correct?

Thanks, Andy

 

First Set of pictures! Left for dead
http://www.we-todd-did-racing..../1140

2nd Set of pictures!Working on Car
http://www.we-todd-did-racing..../1535

3rd Set of Pics: Driving the car
http://www.we-todd-did-racing..../1820

 

correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a DC4 (LS/RS non-vtec) Integra have a OEM 22mm front sway bar like a Civic, and a ITR/GSR have a OEM 24mm front sway bar?
Come to think about it, yes I'm right

Edit: all-non ITR integras have 17mm rear sway bars

 

Do you want a trophy?

I too, am looking for a smaller swaybar than ITR's. I completely removed it and love it, but can be a bit uncontrollable for me at times.

 

Pretty sure Will ran the JDM 23mm rear with the 17 front. Lotsa rotation.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GUILOTINE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a DC4 (LS/RS non-vtec) Integra have a OEM 22mm front sway bar like a Civic, and a ITR/GSR have a OEM 24mm front sway bar?
Come to think about it, yes I'm right

Edit: all-non ITR integras have 17mm rear sway bars</TD></TR></TABLE>

13mm rear and ?????????mm Front......LS
13mm rear and 24 front gsr
24mm front 22 mm rear .......itr i think

not sure.....i know you can tell a differance just looking at the two next to eachother.....so the LS is smaller.


Modified by Hooch'n at 5:19 PM 4/15/2007

 

94+ ls/gs/rs coupes
Front Stabilizer Bar: 22mm
Rear Stabilizer Bar: 13mm
sedans have same front but 14mm rear
94+ gsr
Front Stabilizer Bar: 24mm
Rear Stabilizer Bar: 14mm

97+ itr
Front Stabilizer Bar: 24mm
Rear Stabilizer Bar: 22mm

90-91 ls/rs/gs coupe
Rear Stabilizer Bar: 14.7mm

92-93 rs/ls/gs coupe
Rear stabilizer bar: 15.9mm

92-93 gsr coupe
Rear Stabilizer Bar: 14.7mm

all the info i could find

so i will have a 22mmfront and 22mmRear.........mmmmmmm

 

hell migs i got a 22mm ft sway bar for you

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94rs-turbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hell migs i got a 22mm ft sway bar for you</TD></TR></TABLE>

I actually need something smaller than that. I like the way my car rotates but it can use a tad bit more understeer.

 

well maybe like a dx 92-95 civic might have something smaller
nm ex eg is only 21mm

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94rs-turbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well maybe like a dx 92-95 civic might have something smaller
nm ex eg is only 21mm</TD></TR></TABLE>
92-95 DX/CX/VX Civics have no front sway bar. SI & EX civic's have 22 mm front sway bars just like the RS/LS integras

 

yeah, i am going to try the 22mm/22mm set-up.........and see how that rolls, might try taking it off for a session this weekend to see how crazy it gets: DRIFTO&gt;

 

Wow, I can actually help with this one

Anyway, I'm running an EK hatch, so I'm sure there are differences...

Anyway, the current suspension is k sports 11k front, 7k rear, 22mm rear itr sway bar with asr plate, and before i was running a civic si front 26mm sway. I auto-x so no track experience, but from before, it felt like it would fight rotating like I wanted it to. I would almost end up drifting the front wheels around corners if that doesn't sound too strange.

From there, I recently switched to a 22mm front sway bar. Got it from a 4 door civic at the junk yard, but most 4 door ek's and I think the ex ek coupe as well have 22mm fronts.

Anyway, now the car rotates a LOT better. I feel like I can push more through turns even though it feels looser up front. The only bad side I've noticed with the switch is the side to side G's transition (like a hard right followed by a hard left or vice versa) feel a little stranger now. It felt more solid before with the 26mm front with hard transitions. All in all, I really like the new change. Not sure about 17mm. That's a huge change. But try it and hold on to the old bar just in case

(thanks aron for the suggestion)

 

I am the type of person who firsts want to tune my suspension with the spring rate and then tune it with the sway bars. (I kept 24mmF/23mmR and just kept raising my spring rates until I got comfortable....then the next step would have been to play with my sways).

Obviously if your car is street driven you have to compromise for safety and comfort on the street, therefore can't run very stiff rates.

If I were you.... and since springs probably cost as much as a sway bar... I would probably buy 600# and 800# springs, run the 600# for the front and #800 for the rear and play around with swapping the front sway.

Reasons:
1. Under heavy braking at the track you want some spring rate on the front to take away some of the twitchiness experienced from the weight transfer. (800# is ideal in front, but may be too stiff for street).
2. the 600/800 bias will give you some oversteer (and especially if you choose to buy/run with a smaller front sway). also the 600/800 bias is not so dramatic that you will spin on every single lift-off mistake (and you will make the lift-off mistake)
3. 600/800 is not too stiff for the street and if it is, swapping springs takes only 2+ hours or so (at most) to go back to softer setup.
4. Having the stock sway (24mm) w/ 600# up front should help with stability... car won't be leaning over as much.

Just some thoughts.

 

I run an HF front sway bar (17mm hollow) and a Whiteline Adjustable rear sway bar (set at the same effective rate as a 24mm rear at the moment).. just switched front 12kf/10kr to 12kf/14kr and the car rotates even better now..

A DX/Si 18mm front bar would probably work just as well..

 

great info, just got done putting the 22mm on the front and 22 stock itr bar rear with 400lbs front and 500 rear.... We will see this weekend.

I would like to run 12k front (650) and 14k rear (800) soon........that is my other track car set up in the EG with stock itr bars

Thanks for the info..........

 

you can run a eg si front sway bar....i think it is a 17 or 19mm

saw it this weekend on an eg, but the itr felt good for the few laps it ran...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hooch’n &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I am sure about the differance but with the longer wheel base of the Integra it should be any different then an EG with 800lbs springs and stock ITR suspension..... correct?

Thanks, Andy</TD></TR></TABLE>

EG's have the same wheelbase as the Integra, except the 92-95 coupe which is actually longer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

EG's have the same wheelbase as the Integra, except the 92-95 coupe which is actually longer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am sorry but the integra has a 103 same as Coupe 92-95

Eg has a 101......

Please research before posting, this has been covered in other posts.

I just proved this at the shop the other night when someone said the same thing and we found that the Shop manual was right!

 

Before you tell me to research...

Your information is incorrect. Everything I have says 94-01 Integra:

Wheelbase: 101.2 in (2570 mm)

http://www.hondanews.com/searc...acura

EXTERIOR DIMENSIONS
.

Wheelbase
101.2 in (2570 mm)

Track, front
58.3 in (1480 mm)

Track, rear
58.1 in (1475 mm)

Overall Length
172.4 in (4380 mm)

Overall Width
66.7 in (1695 mm)

Overall Height
51.9 in (1320 mm)

Minimum Ground Clearance
5.3 in (135 mm)

Curb Weight
2639 lb (1197 kg)

Weight Distribution (% front / rear)
62 / 38

 

dood, i have both of these cars and have looked.....

Had my eg and itr parked next to eachother.....

If you look in the Honda Shop manual from the dealership they have specs...

 

Do you have a 94-01 Integra Sedan? Because that car is 103.1". The 3-door Integra is 101.2".

This is *straight* from the Helms manual (and every other 100 online sources).

The 92-95 Civic (again, straight from Helms):

3 Door: 101.2"
4 Door: 103.1"

 

interesting.....we even looked at the helms, maybe i can't read.