Pulled over the other night and got a ref ticket.
Im making this thread and showing all the steps I have to take to BAR my EJ8 with an H22A4.
Going to talk to SmogBuster today. I will be adding to this thread, subscribe if interested.

Chico PD is now popping hoods and giving Ref tickets. Don't be too worried though they have no clue what they are doing. All they could find wrong with my car was the headers. lol, they even thought I had adjustable cam gears, had to argue with him to prove they were stock. Took them 30 min just to find out what motor it was. I just told them i dunno, just bought the car. Even when they knew it was a Prelude motor they didn't know if that was ok or not. lol

If anyone have any info that they would like to add feel free. this thread is dedicated to H22 smog.

Rules of engagement.

Stock ECU
Stock Muffler
Stock Intake or CARB #
Stock headers or CARB #
Same OBD or newer. Cant have old OBD Motor in new OBD chaise.


will post more when i get back from SmogBusters

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by man with one cam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all the stock emission parts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

indeed.

just finnished putting on a stock GSR muffler and the stock headers.
so quite.

sometimes i really hate cali.

 

Good luck at the referee, just make sure everythings hooked up right and have the timing within spec.

Also make sure you have the EGR, Charcoal canister hooked up

 

I am bumping this for you because I live in SC and you could put a SB Chevy on a go-kart and get it tagged no problem. I hate to see **** like this... makes me fear that law and state sooo much! Anyways good luck hope you get your stuff straightened out.

Sidenote: header not "headers"

 

bump, socal sucks with the whole reff thing, they let the mustang drive right by them open headrers and then pop the civic behind him for a modified exhaust

 

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lol, yes, funny as hell.

 

I have seen Mustangs at the state ref. You just dont hear about it because this is a Honda forum, not a Mustang forum. They get it the same.

I dont remember who but theres a whole how to on H22 passing BAR. But either way its the same as a B series passing BAR. If you have the motor same year or newer your more then 75% there.

 

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Shhhhh, don't let 'em in on the big secret, he's a ricer, g2 remember his logic, all domestics suck, mustangs suck, 5+ cylinders sucks, cops are racist against imports, etc. etc. etc.

Let the idiot vent. He's still recovering from the last V8 which whooped his ***, he's in a state of post traumatic stress right now.

Best way to tease a ricer when they start talking about the import racism is to ask 'em why Mercedes Benzs, BMWs, Ferraris, Porsches, and Lambos don't get "hated on" too often.

 

FYI
my appointment was put off till next week.

I called the Butte County traffic Sargent to ask him if it was true that Chico PD was getting special training for import cars, he said yes it was true. I asked him why. He said its there way to help prevent street racing because it kills. I asked him why are the cops focused on slow imports and Honda's, why the training for imports and not Domestic. He said because of the majority. wtf?
I asked him if he knew how many ppl have died in that past 5 years from street racing in Chico, he said that he did not know. I told him that 2 ppl have died in the past 5 yrs and it was sad that this was the best solution Butte county could come up with. I told him not to misunderstand me, I do not think street racing is ok, i think its very stupid and should be strongly punished, but there is no where for them to go except down town or out in the rice fields. other then that the closest drag strip is a few hours away, Chico's population is over 140,000. I asked him why butte county would not give permits for a drag strip, as I've been trying to get permits for a few years now. he said he could not answer this question and stopped answering any more of my questions. WTF am I too do? over the past week there has been tons of ref tickets, there is a waiting list now just to see the ref. the sad thing is, in Chico there are very few fast Honda's and thousands of imports with mufflers and intakes. Its not right and makes me want to move outta Cali. Barcelona Spain maybe?





Modified by THC07 at 6:48 AM 4/8/2007

 

If you really want to have drag strip into your county try talking to your councilman and city hall about getting permits. Theyll probably want you to get a petition going and if you could fill it you could get a permit probably. Now to fund this project is another story

 

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have the funding...

council says NO, and they dont want to hear anything about it. maybe cuz the cops are making so much money with tickets???

 

I need to find a place to get a b16 "BAR'd" in a 96 Civic Cx. It is fully converted to 00 Spec. Where are some places I could go or what would I have to do. I moved here from Oregon and need to get my registration swapped over. I wapped in a B16A2 and all the correct emission and wiring from my old 2000 Civic Si. Everything works fine. HOWEVER i spun a rod bearing (ran low on oil and do a lot of hard driving) and found a somewhat cheap B16A. The only diff between a B16A2 shortblock and a B16A is the oil pump and timing gear sensor. If you dont have that sensor you cannot run any OBD2. To the point, what would I have to do?

Thanks for any help.

 

my freind built a high compression 454, open headers, and nitrous, some stupid **** pushing out over 500 hp on a 71 chevelle (single headlight too bad it wasnt 70 2 headlight :S) he's 18 and we went to school togehter and he always makes fun of me and the other import guys for having to deal with this ****, while having slower cars

 

could someone answer this question. I live in California. When doing an engine swap does it have to be the same size engine. like you can only swap d16 with b16. Or can you do a d16 to a b18? or even a h22, or k20. I understand that the engine has to be the same year or newer than the chassis. But I am thinking about getting a 92-95 civic to save on insurance then doing a swap for my own fun. What motor can safely pass smog. I don't have a problem leaving it stock, I can always put parts on after the smog.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 03RSXTypeS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">could someone answer this question. I live in California. When doing an engine swap does it have to be the same size engine. like you can only swap d16 with b16. Or can you do a d16 to a b18? or even a h22, or k20. I understand that the engine has to be the same year or newer than the chassis. But I am thinking about getting a 92-95 civic to save on insurance then doing a swap for my own fun. What motor can safely pass smog. I don't have a problem leaving it stock, I can always put parts on after the smog.</TD></TR></TABLE>


swap anything, leaving it stock tho. then call the state ref and make an appointment to get Bar'd.

if you swap the same kind of motor... d16 for a d16 then you dont ahve to do anyhitng.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaBondMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I need to find a place to get a b16 "BAR'd" in a 96 Civic Cx. It is fully converted to 00 Spec. Where are some places I could go or what would I have to do. I moved here from Oregon and need to get my registration swapped over. I wapped in a B16A2 and all the correct emission and wiring from my old 2000 Civic Si. Everything works fine. HOWEVER i spun a rod bearing (ran low on oil and do a lot of hard driving) and found a somewhat cheap B16A. The only diff between a B16A2 shortblock and a B16A is the oil pump and timing gear sensor. If you dont have that sensor you cannot run any OBD2. To the point, what would I have to do?

Thanks for any help.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So thats a JDM b16a right?
call your local ref and ask him. or just go see him in person. normally the smog refs are at colleges or university's

 

Stay away from the ******** at FJC (Fullerton Junior College). They were right down the street from me and I thought it wouldn't make a difference, but I had the hardest time with them... my dad was cussing at the guy lol. I took a drive to Rio Honda off the 605 and the 2 young guys there at the time were very helpful.

 

I did. I have an appointment to see them.

Consumer Assistance & Referee Scheduling Center

(Open 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. weekdays, except holidays)

Schedules appointments for motorists who need Smog Check waivers, extensions or who have gray-market vehicles, engine changes or disputes about emissions equipment on their vehicles.
(800) 622-7733

 

Im bumping my thread because i need info. I know theres a guy on HT that can ref a car.
I went to the ref today and failed.
His reason that i failed was BS, he said that i had a obd1 ecu in my obd2 car. Im using the 96 obd2 ecu, the one w/o the immo. 37820-p13-a12. wtf am i too do? his resources (mitchell, all data) is incorrect. he said that i was using a 93 obd1 prelude s ecu. which im not.
I took the ecu out and showed him, " look at the plugs" "the diognostic port works right" " no check engine lights right?" Im so pissed that this dick of a ref dont know ****.
what ar the rules? he said i had to have a 98 prelude ecu in there for a 98 h22a4.
i thought it just had to be obd2?
Grrrrrr, who do i call, what do i do?

 

just talked to a guy on the phone and he said that i cannot have a 96 obd2 ecu in a 97 chassie. even tho

is this true. i thought that it had to be the same OBD.

 

The ECU has to be from the same year also I believe.

 

preludes are OBD2a, 97 civic is OBD2a.

THC07 - replied to your PM.

current model year or newer I beleive is the rule on engines and ECUs.

 

ok, so this is what happen...
first problem was that the information in the Refs computer, Mitchell and all-data was incorrect, this we know. not totally incorrect cuz a p13 is a obd1 ecu also, but the system didn't show the obd2 p13.

2nd problem. i was under the impression that the ecu had to be the same OBD not year, reason being, you can go buy a replacement ecu and they will sell you that obd ecu not by year but by # and obd. blah blah and blah, i just got screwed because i had the obd2 p13 which they could not see as a obd2.
so im going back to a different ref in yuba city, cuz the guys at butte college just want to argue with me.

thanks for the help Relic

 

Hmm off topic kinda but say I have a '97 integra ls shell and I swap a '96 ls engine in there, there's no way to get it smogged right? So my only option would be to BAR it right? Would that work? Sorry I just saw this and was wondering..

 

to thc07, go to a honda dealer and have them verify the ecu, take the verification and shove it down the ref's throat...


to shawnxme, you wouldnt have any problem either way because your swapping a ls for a ls...

 

That ECU was USDM correct? You could actually go to court with the ecu and your documents saying what ecu it goes to and that the ref failed you because of that and they will make him pass. Someone down in OC apparently did that because of a Cat placement and won. Could try that.

Or better yet, go to the other ref, pass then go to court and rat the dick ref out. I think theyll drop your ticket all together, and he gets find.