We just dyno'd the new Civic Si yesterday, and here are the results.




Here is a comparison with an '04 RSX-S.




Both of these cars are stock. Honda has done a better job of programming the new Si's K series, but that VTEC crossover is VERY pronounced to say the least. Still, the car makes great power for stock, and should be easy to extract more from.

Thoughts?

 

damn, the TQ looks v.consistent. i can imagine how it will react to even basic mods

 

More power than the RSX-S!

Sounds good to me! I bet sales of the RSX are going to suffer. Although I do like the styling of the RSX better than the new Si.

 

Different markets though (from Honda's standpoint.)

I could picture my Dad driving an RSX.
He'd be confused by the new Si.

I was very impressed by the fit and finish as well.

 

i wont be suprised if Acura comes out with another USDM ITR since the civic Si has more power and LSD Tranny

 

cant wait for bolt ons and K-Pro

 

Hell yeah, those new Si's are sooo bad!

 

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Thoughts?
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Yep, I believe they do this on purpose so all the ricers out there get to feel the mAD vTak.

It probably would be much more effective with a VTEC x-over around 5k, but then no one would notice it and that's bad for sales.

 

Cool


The pondering question I have is that who bought all 15 complete SI heads from Honda in the past few weeks? Before American Honda realizes that they were selling it dirt cheap. Before Dec 12, it was retailing for $708.85 or wholesale price of $531.64 (now think about the dealer cost?)#10003-RRB-A00

 

Does the 04 rsx still have the k20a2 though!? Or was that the first year of the switch?

 

Yeah it was $460.75 dealer cost...Know honda has a dealer cost of $1088.33...Know thats a jump....i show there might still be a couple heads floating around out there in honda world.

Still waiting on my civic si to come in. Hopefully soon!

 

I think those new Si's, they look nice and they make good power. The only problem I see is the weight. I think they weigh like 2950lbs or something.

 

sorry

 

K20A2 02-04 RSX Type-S
K20Z3 06+ Civic Si
With the old SAE ratings, the 02-04 Type S was rated at 200hp & the 05+ Type S was rated at 210hp.
With the new SAE ratings, the 05+ Type S is rated at 201hp & the 06 Si, which also uses the new SAE rating, is rated at 197hp.

So if we were using the old SAE Ratings right now, would the 06 Si be rated at 206hp???
::shurg::

-Jalal

 

They are heavy, but I think there may be a cure for that.

 

2877 lbs.

My father just ordered his 2006 Si on Monday.

On another note, is it just me, or does that VTEC engagement point need moved down a few hundred RPM? I mean, yeah, I suppose Honda designed it that way to make VTEC more of a 'kick,' but I've always been taught that a smooth changeover is considered 'correct' amongst tuners.

It also appears that the power on the low cam seems to be levelling off right before engagement. This looks similar to my father's 2004 S2000. It turned out his factory crossover point was 400 RPM too high straight from the factory.

 

Nothing some K-Pro cant fix.
This thing will be fun to drive with CAI/Race Header/2.5"+ exhaust /K-Pro.
-Jalal

 

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This thing will be fun to drive with CAI/Race Header/2.5"+ exhaust /K-Pro.
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Exactly what I'm thinking.

Looks like I'll be pricing K-Pro.

 

whats the new 05 rsx-s dyno look like? lol, i think that would give the new si a run

dont think its a far comparison.,...lol


Modified by projectTeG at 2:45 AM 12/22/2005

 

-Jalal

 

pic no work^^^^

 

The only dyno we had was of an '05 RSX with an intake, and it made more power than the new Si. If that new Si had an intake, it might be a different story.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Rob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2877 lbs.

My father just ordered his 2006 Si on Monday.

On another note, is it just me, or does that VTEC engagement point need moved down a few hundred RPM? I mean, yeah, I suppose Honda designed it that way to make VTEC more of a 'kick,' but I've always been taught that a smooth changeover is considered 'correct' amongst tuners.

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Vtec crossover on my K20 is 4500 and it is very smooth. It looses power if you engage it any further up in the RPM, but that is also with messing with the VTC. They can definitley benefit from being moved down. I think AEMs basemap came with vtec at 3500

 

There is power in the new Si by leaning it out as well. It's not nearly as rich as the K20A2, but is still warranty safe.

 

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dont forget they have a LSD tranny, RSX-S does not