DMS Shocks are very cool
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DMS Shocks are very cool
Check out this link.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1460638
I have recently bought and installed a set on my car and I couldn't be happier. The best shocks I have ever ran. And the progressive springs are a huge advantage. I encourage anyone thinking about upgrading to a high end shock to give DMS serious consideration.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1460638
I have recently bought and installed a set on my car and I couldn't be happier. The best shocks I have ever ran. And the progressive springs are a huge advantage. I encourage anyone thinking about upgrading to a high end shock to give DMS serious consideration.
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From that other thread:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For the street tuner, DMS offers their 40mm Gold line of shocks. These shocks are an affordable alternative to the 50mm for those who drive their car to the track, and still need a daily driver setup. However they still have DMS's unique progressive valving and progressive spring technology which offers amazing road compliance and smooth ride without sacrificing performance. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Stay away from the 40s. They're pure crap. The 50s are decent... but there's better options out there.
Reason I don't like the 40s? I had them... and a whole bunch of things that went wrong between DMS and myself:
1) told me I had to service the 'street' shocks as if they were rally shocks (wasn't toild this when they were sold... and not many dealers even know about that to this day)
2) trying to get warranty service on them was a matter of me paying to have them warrantied when there was a KNOWN stiction issue on the struts.
3) then... they decided to refuse warranty on them because I autocrossed them. (When they failed to grasp what autocross actually was... they thought it was what we call rally-x).
The solution? Have them shipped to Canada on my dime (Lachute Subaru), pay for what was a warranty repair and any necessary parts, and pay to have them shipped back... I still have them. Paid $1600 for them new. Used one year. Rusted away in 7 months. Yes.. DMS STRUTS WILL RUST within the 1st year.. badly.
This is not to say the 50s (tarmac or rally) are a good shock.. they are. It's the street 40s you have to be wary of. There are many that got 'shafted' by DMS in 2002, 2003 that still harbor bad feelings about them.
--kC
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For the street tuner, DMS offers their 40mm Gold line of shocks. These shocks are an affordable alternative to the 50mm for those who drive their car to the track, and still need a daily driver setup. However they still have DMS's unique progressive valving and progressive spring technology which offers amazing road compliance and smooth ride without sacrificing performance. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Stay away from the 40s. They're pure crap. The 50s are decent... but there's better options out there.
Reason I don't like the 40s? I had them... and a whole bunch of things that went wrong between DMS and myself:
1) told me I had to service the 'street' shocks as if they were rally shocks (wasn't toild this when they were sold... and not many dealers even know about that to this day)
2) trying to get warranty service on them was a matter of me paying to have them warrantied when there was a KNOWN stiction issue on the struts.
3) then... they decided to refuse warranty on them because I autocrossed them. (When they failed to grasp what autocross actually was... they thought it was what we call rally-x).
The solution? Have them shipped to Canada on my dime (Lachute Subaru), pay for what was a warranty repair and any necessary parts, and pay to have them shipped back... I still have them. Paid $1600 for them new. Used one year. Rusted away in 7 months. Yes.. DMS STRUTS WILL RUST within the 1st year.. badly.
This is not to say the 50s (tarmac or rally) are a good shock.. they are. It's the street 40s you have to be wary of. There are many that got 'shafted' by DMS in 2002, 2003 that still harbor bad feelings about them.
--kC
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (mikeski38)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mikeski38 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Check out this link.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1460638
I have recently bought and installed a set on my car and I couldn't be happier. The best shocks I have ever ran. And the progressive springs are a huge advantage. I encourage anyone thinking about upgrading to a high end shock to give DMS serious consideration.
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Totally unbaised opinion?
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1460638
I have recently bought and installed a set on my car and I couldn't be happier. The best shocks I have ever ran. And the progressive springs are a huge advantage. I encourage anyone thinking about upgrading to a high end shock to give DMS serious consideration.
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Totally unbaised opinion?
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (Honda318dx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Honda318dx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Totally unbaised opinion? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah... really...
Contact GOTO:Racing Sales...
Brian Lock
and the original poster of this thread...
Mike Lock
Coinkeydink? Ithinknot. So that further confirms my thoughts about DMS and the companies that sell their products.
(Even tho the are currently prepping a Legacy GT for racing which is cool... stuff like this puts a bad taste in my mouth)
Totally unbaised opinion?
</TD></TR></TABLE>Yeah... really...
Contact GOTO:Racing Sales...
Brian Lock
and the original poster of this thread...
Mike Lock
Coinkeydink? Ithinknot. So that further confirms my thoughts about DMS and the companies that sell their products.
(Even tho the are currently prepping a Legacy GT for racing which is cool... stuff like this puts a bad taste in my mouth)
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (KC)
Well..... I don't think there was any subterfuge going on. Mike L. has posted before that he really likes the shocks on his car on various forums. Yes, he is related to Brian. BTW, GOTO racing is a advertiser on here. I saw the banner on the top of the page last night.
FYI, I paid for my shocks. I had a choice of going Koni or DMS. I liked what I saw happen with the handling improvements (move to DMS suspension) over the last year with the Subie GOTO Racing was running in USTCC. I am not saying they are the only way to go - it is true there a lot of good shock choices in that price range. I do think they are a viable choice. As always, your opinion may vary.
FYI, I paid for my shocks. I had a choice of going Koni or DMS. I liked what I saw happen with the handling improvements (move to DMS suspension) over the last year with the Subie GOTO Racing was running in USTCC. I am not saying they are the only way to go - it is true there a lot of good shock choices in that price range. I do think they are a viable choice. As always, your opinion may vary.
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (civicrr)
I actually just read the article about the kid running the WRX in USTCC and it was talking about how much they loved the shocks and how much they helped. Sucks to hear about the warranty thing though....
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From that other thread:
Stay away from the 40s. They're pure crap. The 50s are decent... but there's better options out there.
Reason I don't like the 40s? I had them... and a whole bunch of things that went wrong between DMS and myself:
1) told me I had to service the 'street' shocks as if they were rally shocks (wasn't toild this when they were sold... and not many dealers even know about that to this day)
2) trying to get warranty service on them was a matter of me paying to have them warrantied when there was a KNOWN stiction issue on the struts.
3) then... they decided to refuse warranty on them because I autocrossed them. (When they failed to grasp what autocross actually was... they thought it was what we call rally-x).
The solution? Have them shipped to Canada on my dime (Lachute Subaru), pay for what was a warranty repair and any necessary parts, and pay to have them shipped back... I still have them. Paid $1600 for them new. Used one year. Rusted away in 7 months. Yes.. DMS STRUTS WILL RUST within the 1st year.. badly.
This is not to say the 50s (tarmac or rally) are a good shock.. they are. It's the street 40s you have to be wary of. There are many that got 'shafted' by DMS in 2002, 2003 that still harbor bad feelings about them.
--kC</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am sorry that you have had problems with DMS in the past. However it was in the past, 3-4 years ago by your own admition. Since then DMS has made many improvements both in product and in customer service.
DMS North America has since moved out of Lachute Subaru and is an independent business. DMS has also setup service facilities and dealers in more convenient locations. One of which, is us, GOTO:Racing.
Most servicing can be done in California, so there is no longer a need for freight charges to Canada. Also, Honda shocks are not the strut type that you had problems with with your Subaru. They are not inverted and do not need to be rebuilt for at least 3-4 racing seasons.
GOTO:Racing has been fully factory trained and can answer any questions you all might have dealing with servicing. We also have used them in a professional series for the past year and a half, and can offer knowledgable setup advice. We worked directly with the DMS North America representative and all service and setup training.
Thanks,
Brian
Stay away from the 40s. They're pure crap. The 50s are decent... but there's better options out there.
Reason I don't like the 40s? I had them... and a whole bunch of things that went wrong between DMS and myself:
1) told me I had to service the 'street' shocks as if they were rally shocks (wasn't toild this when they were sold... and not many dealers even know about that to this day)
2) trying to get warranty service on them was a matter of me paying to have them warrantied when there was a KNOWN stiction issue on the struts.
3) then... they decided to refuse warranty on them because I autocrossed them. (When they failed to grasp what autocross actually was... they thought it was what we call rally-x).
The solution? Have them shipped to Canada on my dime (Lachute Subaru), pay for what was a warranty repair and any necessary parts, and pay to have them shipped back... I still have them. Paid $1600 for them new. Used one year. Rusted away in 7 months. Yes.. DMS STRUTS WILL RUST within the 1st year.. badly.
This is not to say the 50s (tarmac or rally) are a good shock.. they are. It's the street 40s you have to be wary of. There are many that got 'shafted' by DMS in 2002, 2003 that still harbor bad feelings about them.
--kC</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am sorry that you have had problems with DMS in the past. However it was in the past, 3-4 years ago by your own admition. Since then DMS has made many improvements both in product and in customer service.
DMS North America has since moved out of Lachute Subaru and is an independent business. DMS has also setup service facilities and dealers in more convenient locations. One of which, is us, GOTO:Racing.
Most servicing can be done in California, so there is no longer a need for freight charges to Canada. Also, Honda shocks are not the strut type that you had problems with with your Subaru. They are not inverted and do not need to be rebuilt for at least 3-4 racing seasons.
GOTO:Racing has been fully factory trained and can answer any questions you all might have dealing with servicing. We also have used them in a professional series for the past year and a half, and can offer knowledgable setup advice. We worked directly with the DMS North America representative and all service and setup training.
Thanks,
Brian
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (madhatter07)
We tested a set of DMS shocks on our ITA Integra and were very pleased with there performance. We, like Mike Q. also had to chose between the Koni 2812's and the DMS shocks, we decided to go with the DMS and I am convinced that we have made the right decision.
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (civicrr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicrr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...there was any subterfuge going on. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Doooohhhhhh....I HATES it when there's Subterfuge going on and I'm not wise to it!!!!!
Scott, who suspects there's much Subterfuge in racing...alot of Centrifuge as well.
Doooohhhhhh....I HATES it when there's Subterfuge going on and I'm not wise to it!!!!!
Scott, who suspects there's much Subterfuge in racing...alot of Centrifuge as well.
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (itaintegra52)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itaintegra52 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We tested a set of DMS shocks on our ITA Integra and were very pleased with there performance. We, like Mike Q. also had to chose between the Koni 2812's and the DMS shocks, we decided to go with the DMS and I am convinced that we have made the right decision. </TD></TR></TABLE>
did you test them compared to another shock? what part of their performance pleased you? lets see some dyno plots of the damper curve for these uber dampers.
nate - doesn't buy subjective opinions
did you test them compared to another shock? what part of their performance pleased you? lets see some dyno plots of the damper curve for these uber dampers.
nate - doesn't buy subjective opinions
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (RR98ITR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Doooohhhhhh....I HATES it when there's Subterfuge going on and I'm not wise to it!!!!!
Scott, who suspects there's much Subterfuge in racing...alot of Centrifuge as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No one said I could spell
Doooohhhhhh....I HATES it when there's Subterfuge going on and I'm not wise to it!!!!!
Scott, who suspects there's much Subterfuge in racing...alot of Centrifuge as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No one said I could spell
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (civicrr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicrr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
No one said I could spell </TD></TR></TABLE>
How do I know you don't purposely missspell words as part of the subterfuge?
Scott, who refuses to confirm or deny any understanding or missunderstanding of anything he has any knowledge or complete lack of knowledge about...why do you think my kaa is on jackstands anyway? I've started to suspect my Rrrrrrr is in on it and out to get me! "Let's go racing Scott....don't worry - I won't understeer"....Riiigggghhhhht.
No one said I could spell
</TD></TR></TABLE>How do I know you don't purposely missspell words as part of the subterfuge?
Scott, who refuses to confirm or deny any understanding or missunderstanding of anything he has any knowledge or complete lack of knowledge about...why do you think my kaa is on jackstands anyway? I've started to suspect my Rrrrrrr is in on it and out to get me! "Let's go racing Scott....don't worry - I won't understeer"....Riiigggghhhhht.
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (RR98ITR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How do I know you don't purposely missspell words as part of the subterfuge?
Scott, who refuses to confirm or deny any understanding or missunderstanding of anything he has any knowledge or complete lack of knowledge about...why do you think my kaa is on jackstands anyway? I've started to suspect my Rrrrrrr is in on it and out to get me! "Let's go racing Scott....don't worry - I won't understeer"....Riiigggghhhhht.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You were, before the jackstand purchase that is, addicted to the centrifuge. And four out five doctors agree that centrifuging causes loss of spelling ability.
How do I know you don't purposely missspell words as part of the subterfuge?
Scott, who refuses to confirm or deny any understanding or missunderstanding of anything he has any knowledge or complete lack of knowledge about...why do you think my kaa is on jackstands anyway? I've started to suspect my Rrrrrrr is in on it and out to get me! "Let's go racing Scott....don't worry - I won't understeer"....Riiigggghhhhht.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You were, before the jackstand purchase that is, addicted to the centrifuge. And four out five doctors agree that centrifuging causes loss of spelling ability.
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (solo-x)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">did you test them compared to another shock? what part of their performance pleased you? lets see some dyno plots of the damper curve for these uber dampers.
nate - doesn't buy subjective opinions</TD></TR></TABLE>
We ran our Integra all year on re-valved Konis, with the DMS shocks we were a lot faster, over 2 seconds faster then the track record that we set at the track with the konis. The DMS gave us the ability to do things that we were not able to do with the Konis, made TOYO tires feel like Hoosiers. I think that some of that is due to the progressive rate springs that DMS sells.
I understand that comparing DMS to re-valved Konis is not a true test. We were not able to test 2812s, they would have improved the performance of the car also. But as I said above the feel of the DMS with the progressive rate springs sold us.
nate - doesn't buy subjective opinions</TD></TR></TABLE>
We ran our Integra all year on re-valved Konis, with the DMS shocks we were a lot faster, over 2 seconds faster then the track record that we set at the track with the konis. The DMS gave us the ability to do things that we were not able to do with the Konis, made TOYO tires feel like Hoosiers. I think that some of that is due to the progressive rate springs that DMS sells.
I understand that comparing DMS to re-valved Konis is not a true test. We were not able to test 2812s, they would have improved the performance of the car also. But as I said above the feel of the DMS with the progressive rate springs sold us.
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (mikeski38)
I for one trust Mike's opinion on shocks more than most.
Short story:
At the last 3 hour enduro our team blew out a front shock during practice (Advance Designs). Mike loaned us his spare Koni fronts (Thanks again Mike) so that we could enter the race and warned me about the poor design of AD shocks. I urged the team owner to consider running different shocks but was unsuccessful.
Around comes the 25 hour race a few weeks later and to my dismay the AD shocks were back on the car after being serviced. After qualifying the driver complains about a vibration and going over the car reveals nothing. Then after the first stint of the race the next river pulls the car in because the vibration got a lot worse. To my surprise *sarcasm* the AD shocks failed again after only 2.5 hours of track time. Mike had predicted this weeks ago.
I have absolutely 0 experience with DMS but I do know that Mike has 0 tolerance for junk. That's all I'm saying.
Short story:
At the last 3 hour enduro our team blew out a front shock during practice (Advance Designs). Mike loaned us his spare Koni fronts (Thanks again Mike) so that we could enter the race and warned me about the poor design of AD shocks. I urged the team owner to consider running different shocks but was unsuccessful.
Around comes the 25 hour race a few weeks later and to my dismay the AD shocks were back on the car after being serviced. After qualifying the driver complains about a vibration and going over the car reveals nothing. Then after the first stint of the race the next river pulls the car in because the vibration got a lot worse. To my surprise *sarcasm* the AD shocks failed again after only 2.5 hours of track time. Mike had predicted this weeks ago.
I have absolutely 0 experience with DMS but I do know that Mike has 0 tolerance for junk. That's all I'm saying.
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (RineRacing)
I just want to register my opinion that "progressive rate springs" have no place on this type of car...and if anyone wants to explain in excruciating detail why they disagree (like Johnny Mac) then please feel free to deprogram me...
Scott, who was once depressed about a girl and spent too much time on the giant tilting centrifuge...
Scott, who was once depressed about a girl and spent too much time on the giant tilting centrifuge...
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (RR98ITR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just want to register my opinion that "progressive rate springs" have no place on this type of car...and if anyone wants to explain in excruciating detail why they disagree (like Johnny Mac) then please feel free to deprogram me...
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I have to run out the door right now but will post why a progressive spring is better when i get back. In the mean time, can you explain why you think it has no place on this type of car.
-Brian
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I have to run out the door right now but will post why a progressive spring is better when i get back. In the mean time, can you explain why you think it has no place on this type of car.
-Brian
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (civicrr)
there are some guys (different car of course) that have had great success running the 50mm trim coilovers on the evos... but for 4500.00 i rather get motons 2 way adjustable...
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (RineRacing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RineRacing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I for one trust Mike's opinion on shocks more than most.
Short story:
At the last 3 hour enduro our team blew out a front shock during practice (Advance Designs). Mike loaned us his spare Koni fronts (Thanks again Mike) so that we could enter the race and warned me about the poor design of AD shocks. I urged the team owner to consider running different shocks but was unsuccessful.
Around comes the 25 hour race a few weeks later and to my dismay the AD shocks were back on the car after being serviced. After qualifying the driver complains about a vibration and going over the car reveals nothing. Then after the first stint of the race the next river pulls the car in because the vibration got a lot worse. To my surprise *sarcasm* the AD shocks failed again after only 2.5 hours of track time. Mike had predicted this weeks ago.
I have absolutely 0 experience with DMS but I do know that Mike has 0 tolerance for junk. That's all I'm saying.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks Jeremy.
My goal with this thread was to simply let people know that the DMS stuff was great and that there is now a west coast warehouse and distributer.
And yes, my last name is Lock, and it is my brother Brian's business, GOTO:Racing that is the distributer. I do not see how this makes DMS products any worse, but if you talk **** about the product because I'm related to the distributer, then you are a retard.
Short story:
At the last 3 hour enduro our team blew out a front shock during practice (Advance Designs). Mike loaned us his spare Koni fronts (Thanks again Mike) so that we could enter the race and warned me about the poor design of AD shocks. I urged the team owner to consider running different shocks but was unsuccessful.
Around comes the 25 hour race a few weeks later and to my dismay the AD shocks were back on the car after being serviced. After qualifying the driver complains about a vibration and going over the car reveals nothing. Then after the first stint of the race the next river pulls the car in because the vibration got a lot worse. To my surprise *sarcasm* the AD shocks failed again after only 2.5 hours of track time. Mike had predicted this weeks ago.
I have absolutely 0 experience with DMS but I do know that Mike has 0 tolerance for junk. That's all I'm saying.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks Jeremy.
My goal with this thread was to simply let people know that the DMS stuff was great and that there is now a west coast warehouse and distributer.
And yes, my last name is Lock, and it is my brother Brian's business, GOTO:Racing that is the distributer. I do not see how this makes DMS products any worse, but if you talk **** about the product because I'm related to the distributer, then you are a retard.
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (mikeski38)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mikeski38 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
....but if you talk **** about the product because I'm related to the distributer, then you are a retard.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmmmmm....could be subterfuge....
Scott, who wonders about these so called retards...what's their story....are they in on it?
....but if you talk **** about the product because I'm related to the distributer, then you are a retard.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmmmmm....could be subterfuge....
Scott, who wonders about these so called retards...what's their story....are they in on it?
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (itaintegra52)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We ran our Integra all year on re-valved Konis, with the DMS shocks we were a lot faster, over 2 seconds faster then the track record that we set at the track with the konis. The DMS gave us the ability to do things that we were not able to do with the Konis, made TOYO tires feel like Hoosiers. I think that some of that is due to the progressive rate springs that DMS sells. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I would also be interested to hear the arguments for using a progressive spring rate on such an application and am also curious what kind of spring rates such a progressive setup would require to yield good results.
I would also be interested to hear the arguments for using a progressive spring rate on such an application and am also curious what kind of spring rates such a progressive setup would require to yield good results.
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (itaintegra52)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itaintegra52 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We ran our Integra all year on re-valved Konis, with the DMS shocks we were a lot faster, over 2 seconds faster then the track record that we set at the track with the konis. The DMS gave us the ability to do things that we were not able to do with the Konis, made TOYO tires feel like Hoosiers. I think that some of that is due to the progressive rate springs that DMS sells.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that right there is the biggest load of **** i've seen posted on here in a while. the koni street dampers with or without the race valving aren't one of the most successful dampers available by being 2 seconds slower then the competition. and any race car that can set a lap record in a competitive region is NOT going to find 2 seconds in any one component on the car. i'd seriously doubt you could find a total of 2 whole seconds in the entire package.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GOTO:Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have to run out the door right now but will post why a progressive spring is better when i get back. In the mean time, can you explain why you think it has no place on this type of car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
*intrigued* when you post this information, could you also post the white papers on the DMS seal design and adjuster mechanism? i'm betting on at least the adjustment method being needle/seat style affecting both bump and rebound simultaneously. oh, and i'm still waiting for dyno sheets for these in a honda application. thx!
nate
that right there is the biggest load of **** i've seen posted on here in a while. the koni street dampers with or without the race valving aren't one of the most successful dampers available by being 2 seconds slower then the competition. and any race car that can set a lap record in a competitive region is NOT going to find 2 seconds in any one component on the car. i'd seriously doubt you could find a total of 2 whole seconds in the entire package.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GOTO:Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have to run out the door right now but will post why a progressive spring is better when i get back. In the mean time, can you explain why you think it has no place on this type of car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
*intrigued* when you post this information, could you also post the white papers on the DMS seal design and adjuster mechanism? i'm betting on at least the adjustment method being needle/seat style affecting both bump and rebound simultaneously. oh, and i'm still waiting for dyno sheets for these in a honda application. thx!
nate
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (Hracer)
Progressive rate vs. single rate -
The main advantage to running the progressive rate spring and shock that DMS offers is that in any turn (more amplified at high speeds), the suspension will soak up small bumps without upsetting the car. This allows you to keep your foot in the gas and keeps you from having to saw at the wheel. In low to medium speed turns you can hit very tall overruns without hoping and sliding sideways across the track. Basically, the more time that your wheel spends in contact with the racing surface the better. For example turn one at Thunderhill (for those not familiar, 95+ mph sweeping 90 degree turn) which used to be a you know what puckerer with stiff single rate springs, has become way faster and way easier to drive. You are using way less effort and get 5+ mph more exit speed. This advantage is not as apperent in slower turns, but the concept is still there, and working.
The DMS duel progressiverate spring we feel is also superior to a "tender spring" or "helper spring" setup. With our spring you get the compliance of the first softer part of the spring, and then it quickly and smoothly ramps up, ultimately achieving the same peek rate. The graph of a DMS spring rate would be a smooth curve. The graph of a linear rate spring with a helper spring, would be two linear curves that meet. The point at which they meet will be a sharp transission, which can also upset the car.
The main advantage to running the progressive rate spring and shock that DMS offers is that in any turn (more amplified at high speeds), the suspension will soak up small bumps without upsetting the car. This allows you to keep your foot in the gas and keeps you from having to saw at the wheel. In low to medium speed turns you can hit very tall overruns without hoping and sliding sideways across the track. Basically, the more time that your wheel spends in contact with the racing surface the better. For example turn one at Thunderhill (for those not familiar, 95+ mph sweeping 90 degree turn) which used to be a you know what puckerer with stiff single rate springs, has become way faster and way easier to drive. You are using way less effort and get 5+ mph more exit speed. This advantage is not as apperent in slower turns, but the concept is still there, and working.
The DMS duel progressiverate spring we feel is also superior to a "tender spring" or "helper spring" setup. With our spring you get the compliance of the first softer part of the spring, and then it quickly and smoothly ramps up, ultimately achieving the same peek rate. The graph of a DMS spring rate would be a smooth curve. The graph of a linear rate spring with a helper spring, would be two linear curves that meet. The point at which they meet will be a sharp transission, which can also upset the car.
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Re: DMS Shocks are very cool (solo-x)
When are people gonna learn??????
Just say "a tenth or two"...and everyone will nod...some thinking (but not saying) "Bullshit"....and some thinking "I gots to get me some of that"...and yet others thinking that a bacon blue-cheese burger and a banana/chocolate shake would be even better if you could get them at the same place...
Scott, who (have I mentioned this lately?) reminds you NOT to attempt to add up these tenths...that Arithmetic doesn't function within the nexus between your accounts available credit and tracks timing system...
Just say "a tenth or two"...and everyone will nod...some thinking (but not saying) "Bullshit"....and some thinking "I gots to get me some of that"...and yet others thinking that a bacon blue-cheese burger and a banana/chocolate shake would be even better if you could get them at the same place...
Scott, who (have I mentioned this lately?) reminds you NOT to attempt to add up these tenths...that Arithmetic doesn't function within the nexus between your accounts available credit and tracks timing system...