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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 09:48 AM
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hey guy i did an alignment today without a camber kit here are the readings. Are they bad or good. My car is pretty slam. i use washers in the back. No camber kit


left front right front
-o.52 camber -1.41
0.02 toe 0.00

left rear right rear
0.32 camber -0.30
-.01 toe -0.01





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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 10:10 AM
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Your left rear toe is a little high, but with so little camber, you're good to go.

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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 10:24 AM
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I notice my right front wheel has more negative camber than my left front wheel. What is that? The drop on the car is pretty even. Was this a good alignment in terms of tread wear?
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 10:57 AM
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Perhaps your subframe has slightly shifted to one side. That would cause the camber to be slightly uneven. It's really hard to tell whats wrong when dealing with such sensitive settings. If your car drives straight without holding the steering wheel, your going to be good to go (esspecially for street driving).

If nobody else offers any advice, you can always get your car checked out at a collision repair place. They use lasers to check the alignment of specific points under the chassis...


I'll leave the rest up to others with more experience in this field...
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:13 AM
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Also, how were your caster settings up front?

Not that I would know how to help with a caster problem, but my CRX has one side with almost no caster & even zero toe causes the car to seriously vear to one side...
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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[QUOTE=94eg!]Perhaps your subframe has slightly shifted to one side. [QUOTE]


what would cause that to happen? that sound pretty serious. Can dropping into pot hole cuz that?
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:18 AM
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caster setting

left front 0.89 right front 0.98
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:36 AM
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The entire subframe is held to the chassis by 4 verticle bolts. The design, to me, seems inherently un-stable. I'm sure that shifting can be compounded over time by many small impacts. That doesn't mean that is your problem, but it might be something worth looking at.

I don't know if messing with it is a good idea though. You may mess up your new alignment...

Your problem could also be a bent arm somewhere...
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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I think it may be a weight distribution problem as well, and you may have just had to lower the car on that side more to get the ride height even.

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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 12:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AutoXer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think it may be a weight distribution problem as well, and you may have just had to lower the car on that side more to get the ride height even.

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Your right to make both side have an even drop i lowered the one side more than the other on the coilover. I think it was the left side i lower more not sure. Also to make the front that low i pretty much lowered the shock body to the lowest it will go so the shock travel should be good but whenever i hit a bump it feel like the car it bottoming out the shock. By the way i have omni sport coilovers. How can that be? What do you guy think about the setting i got from the alignment are they good?
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 12:53 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by realis9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
but whenever i hit a bump it feel like the car it bottoming out the shock.... How can that be?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Because you're just that low. You can't be that low and not run out of shock travel.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by realis9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What do you guy think about the setting i got from the alignment are they good?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Looks good, you should be fine.

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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 12:57 PM
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But i never lost the shock travel. With the omni i just lower the car by lowering the shock body. I didn't touch the spring.
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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When you retain your suspension travel while lowering your car (shortend shocks or extended top hats), your new suspension limiting factor is your upper control arm impacting your shock towers.

Check under the hood & make sure there is no dents where the UCA would hit. It also couldn't hurt to get inside the fender & look for any impact marks...
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 01:24 PM
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i'm worried now i'm going to check it out when i get home. judging from the pic do u guys think the car is too low. The spring rate in the front are so stiff even when i take hard corners the car does not rub the fenders. The ride is way too bouncy for me though.
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 01:38 PM
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i didn't read most this site but, i had my car aligned the other day (crx slammed on GSRs) i have no real camber issues, its wierd no one can figure it out my tiers wear evenly.. maybe its because i drive so hard..
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 02:04 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2kTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i didn't read most this site but, i had my car aligned the other day (crx slammed on GSRs) i have no real camber issues, its wierd no one can figure it out my tiers wear evenly.. maybe its because i drive so hard..</TD></TR></TABLE>

what were your camber settings? I have no camber kit either but i have washers in the rear.
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 02:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2kTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i didn't read most this site but, i had my car aligned the other day (crx slammed on GSRs) i have no real camber issues, its wierd no one can figure it out my tiers wear evenly.. maybe its because i drive so hard..</TD></TR></TABLE>

I drive a slammed 94cx and I've never had any tire wear issues...

It's all about toe settings...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by realis9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm worried now i'm going to check it out when i get home. judging from the pic do u guys think the car is too low. The spring rate in the front are so stiff even when i take hard corners the car does not rub the fenders. The ride is way too bouncy for me though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to worry you. Your camber is probably going to be fine. Honestly I wouldn't worry about it as long as the car tracks straight, and the tires wear evenly (unless your racing & need to dial in perfection)...

As far as your UCAs go, just make sure there are no outward dents on the under-hood side of the shock towers. My civic is lowered almost 3" for 50k miles now and I don't have any problems like that. I only recently put extended top hats on though, so I make sure to check the engine bay for dents every once in a while. No one said custom suspension was easy...
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 03:53 PM
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wow. is that ur house man. ur a baller man!
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 04:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whoneedzvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow. is that ur house man. ur a baller man! </TD></TR></TABLE>

well there's also an s2000, g35, and what looks like an m3 in the background too lol
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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yep that is where i live. But only the Itr is mine the s2000 is my bro's and g35 is my sis. No it's not an m3 it's a 2000 civic SI
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Old Nov 11, 2005 | 08:20 AM
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wow that things got a good camber number for being that low
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Old Nov 11, 2005 | 10:36 AM
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WOW. nice cars. and nice house!
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