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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 11:44 PM
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Default Something just doesn't seem right here ( Type R for WAY too cheap )

so tell me what you guys think about this. I'm not looking to buy or anything, but i was browsing tegs for a friend and we saw this, and I know its too good to be true. Just thought I'd share and see what you guys thought

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...dptop

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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 11:47 PM
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Power seats? It's a tarp!
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 01:07 AM
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give them a call doesn't hurt... but that's really cheap
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 04:22 AM
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Depends if they are selling the car in the pictures or in the description. Pictures are of a PY R. But description doesn't match the R. There have been occurances that car lots didn't know what they had and ended up selling an ITR for book or less. I would try calling, can't hurt. Chances are it's gone already. Good Luck.
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 07:45 AM
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when i was looking for my R I came across many "cheap" ones. Then I would look on the block and it would say B18b....or B18C1. Many Rs r rebuilds and don't have the 195hp we're looking for....
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 08:28 AM
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It's located in San Jose. I can probably check it out when I find the time and see what's up with the car. Anyone else want to go?
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 08:39 AM
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JH4DC23101S000156

That's not a Type R VIN, is it? Isn't there supposed to be a Y in there somewhere?
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 08:46 AM
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it comes back as an '01 ITR w/ 9 records in their database
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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I'm sure it's one of those bank check scammers. When I was looking for my sportbike, I must have run into about 20-25 of those *******.

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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 09:00 AM
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1 owner car from S. Carolina, but some sort of mileage issue?

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01/24/2001 South Carolina
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Summerville, SC
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01/24/2001 228 South Carolina
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Summerville, SC
Title #033265451
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08/20/2002 South Carolina
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Summerville, SC
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08/20/2002 South Carolina
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Summerville, SC
Title #770850100472701
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10/02/2002 South Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Summerville, SC
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Summerville, SC
Title #770760123273277
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03/31/2004 South Carolina
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02/28/2005 Private Owner
Los Angeles, CA
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Summerville, SC
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 09:48 AM
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fake listing look @ the phone #
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 10:24 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Splat &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">JH4DC23101S000156

That's not a Type R VIN, is it? Isn't there supposed to be a Y in there somewhere?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, it's an ITR VIN. the DC231 identifies it as an ITR, and the 10th digit identifies the year. A "Y" would be a 2000. This is a 2001 since it has a "1" as the 10th digit.
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 10:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mythias &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

No, it's an ITR VIN. the DC231 identifies it as an ITR, and the 10th digit identifies the year. A "Y" would be a 2000. This is a 2001 since it has a "1" as the 10th digit.</TD></TR></TABLE>

mythias is correct http://www.itrca.com/FAQ/general/vincode.php
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 10:42 AM
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Good work, it wont hurt to check out that R, at that price you can buy it and resell it and make more money.
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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Default Re: Something just doesn't seem right here (bradlyw)

The Auto Trader makes mistakes all the time. Did anyone ever think the Auto Trader left out the 1 in front of the 7 when they posted the ad. I have had the Auto Trader mess up my ads a few times.
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 10:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by P Nut &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">03/01/2004 South Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Summerville, SC
Title #770760123273277
EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED

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03/31/2004 South Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmmm, do our cars have a 5 digit or 6 digit odo? (too lazy to go take off the cover just to check) In any case, this is important.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by P Nut &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">02/28/2005 Private Owner
Los Angeles, CA
Vehicle offered for sale


03/09/2005 Dealer Inventory
Summerville, SC
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Offered for sale in Cali, and then in SC 9 days later? I didn't see any other records that mentioned Cali, WTF?
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 10:56 AM
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The auto trader add says its for sale in San Jose
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 10:58 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98 Spec R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The auto trader add says its for sale in San Jose</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, but how come the most recent record in the CARFAX report says it was offered for sale by a dealership in SC?
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 11:22 AM
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Call them up (the number in the description, not in the pop-up window) and tell them you'd like to arrange to look at it. If they refuse, then it's a scam. If the phone number isn't legitimate, then it's a scam.

There are lots of scams these days, with cars put up for sale at a price significantly lower than market. They steal the VIN and photos from a legitimate listing. They're from out of the country (always "temporarily" overseas for a job, LOL). And they usually ask for a deposit of a lower amount (often $2800), low enough so that law enforcement doesn't bother tracking them down when it turns out to be a scam.
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 12:53 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mythias &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

No, it's an ITR VIN. the DC231 identifies it as an ITR, and the 10th digit identifies the year. A "Y" would be a 2000. This is a 2001 since it has a "1" as the 10th digit.</TD></TR></TABLE>



For some reason, I was thinking the "Y" was the marker. Since mine was a 2000, it just stuck in my head like that.
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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Default Re: Something just doesn't seem right here (bradlyw)

They must've forgotten the one before the seven.

or

It's a piece of pooo
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 01:19 PM
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Well, based on the CARFAX report, there is an excellent chance it has well over 62,000 milles on it. If the odo did turn over, and he isn't disclosing it, he could be up to his eyeballs in poo if he gets caught.
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 06:33 PM
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I bet they got rid of a possible Salvage title that Car Fax didnt catch
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 06:48 PM
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ok i work with an insurance company and pulled up the vin with one of our progams,

it shows on 5-16-01 the owner of the veh was involved in an accident with a 92 mitsu diamante. the driver of the r was a female and was killed as a result of the accident
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 07:08 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by typer2k1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it shows on 5-16-01 the owner of the veh was involved in an accident with a 92 mitsu diamante. the driver of the r was a female and was killed as a result of the accident </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well that certainly puts a nasty little twist on the whole shebang.
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