How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad*
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How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad*
Haha, woe is me. I was with Windy City BMWCCA this weekend at Road America. My car loves the track, gets to stretch its legs and it's nice and confident in the high speed stuff.
ANYHOO.... I get to the track, all pumped, and ready to pass some unsuspecting Bimmers. Tires get swapped, car gets all cleaned out, numbers put on, and I'm ready to go.
Day 1:
First session, I pull up, gather my instructor and take 'er out. First lap is nice and easy, cold morning, and I'm used to put-putting the Neon around, not 320 WHP of wheelspin and oil smoke. Second lap around, I'm hustling around turn 6 and come up to turn 7 REALLY quick. I think to myself, "Hey, I don't think this is a flat-out section today...." I jab the brakes pretty good and turn in at about where I should have been. Predictably, the back end steps around, and my only easy save is to mash the gas, and put two off on the inside. It reminded me of the line I take on my XBox. Third lap around, I tag the curbing on the exit of turn 8 and a charge pipe falls off and goes "bang-poof!" GRRR!
After pulling back in, I fix the charge pipe (from under the car), and go to check the oil. New experience for me: Brand new dip stick rubber melts and sticks to the dipstick tube. I tug hard enough to leave most of the rubber in the tube and get the dipstick out. After about 20 minutes of fishing for it with a coathanger, it gets pushed down into the oilpan. Problem solved, but my dumb *** didn't bring a spare dipstick. No problem I use the exhaust log manifold heatshield as an anchor, and coat-hanger-anchor the dipstick handle down to it. Problem solved!
Second session: Turn down the boost a little. Third lap or so, I'm hustling around the carousel, get to the track out and think to myself, "Hey, I'm doing 110 at track out, this is great!" Too bad I totally forgot to slow down for the "Bend" and decided to take a short-cut through the kink instead. Arrrrgghh..... Five laps into the session I lose the same charge pipe in a similar "bang-poof" in turn 1. AAARRRGGGHHH!! That's two out of three sessions wasted.
Third session: Nothing spectacular, glad to have the car running. I spent about every-other straightaway coasting at about 100. My oil temps were running around 280, and EGT's were around 1800+, I decided I didn't want to watch my gauges anymore. I pull in and my oil catch-can is full. Not just full, but I think I could use one twice the size of my Moroso, because my battery is covered in oil, my front wheel is coated in oil, my rear wheel has some oil on it, and to top it off, my blow-off valve is still spewing last season's oil out of the intercooler.
Day 2:
First session: Rain. Well, really, it wasn't raining, it was SNOWING. Crap, it's May 1st, why the hell is it still snowing?
I found the wet line, took it mostly-conservative, and did about as much passing as I did being passed. My Toyo's did a good job, besides spinning the tires in puddles at about 100 going in the general direction of Canada Corner. Boost controller was off (8 PSI, 230-ish WHP) which made life a little simpler.
Second session: WOW. Great. Boost controller was still off, and the car felt like a 230 WHP dog, but I was really flying. I built up some real confidence and really impressed my instructor. I made just two notable mistakes this session, one in turn 7 again (still fast, but had some interesting drift angle, was watching traffic.). I made a SERIOUS improvement in turn 3 and was just leaving anything behind me in the dust.
Last session: I overfill the oil by about 3/4 quart because I was losing so much. About 1.5 laps into the session, I smell smoke. To top it off I get black flagged. I pull in, they mention smoke, and I get out to take a peek. There was oil running down my downpipe and dripping
... I was paranoid about the oil drain line from the turbo that I found rubbing against the downpipe yesterday, and had wire-wrapped to get a few millimeters of clearance (plus heat wrap, but that will only last so long.). I figure that's what it is, or I just burped some oil out of my burned-up dipstick. Yeah, that's all it was, stupid dipstick. Last session lost.
To all you future turbo owners, caveat emptor. But, continuously spraying oil makes a great rust-proofing!
Nice seeing keN SaX there in his ITR, and a number of (Tom, Brian, Ryan, Steve, and others) NSX owners. Met a lot of great guys.
Sorry for the f***ing novel!!
-Chris
ANYHOO.... I get to the track, all pumped, and ready to pass some unsuspecting Bimmers. Tires get swapped, car gets all cleaned out, numbers put on, and I'm ready to go.
Day 1:
First session, I pull up, gather my instructor and take 'er out. First lap is nice and easy, cold morning, and I'm used to put-putting the Neon around, not 320 WHP of wheelspin and oil smoke. Second lap around, I'm hustling around turn 6 and come up to turn 7 REALLY quick. I think to myself, "Hey, I don't think this is a flat-out section today...." I jab the brakes pretty good and turn in at about where I should have been. Predictably, the back end steps around, and my only easy save is to mash the gas, and put two off on the inside. It reminded me of the line I take on my XBox. Third lap around, I tag the curbing on the exit of turn 8 and a charge pipe falls off and goes "bang-poof!" GRRR!
After pulling back in, I fix the charge pipe (from under the car), and go to check the oil. New experience for me: Brand new dip stick rubber melts and sticks to the dipstick tube. I tug hard enough to leave most of the rubber in the tube and get the dipstick out. After about 20 minutes of fishing for it with a coathanger, it gets pushed down into the oilpan. Problem solved, but my dumb *** didn't bring a spare dipstick. No problem I use the exhaust log manifold heatshield as an anchor, and coat-hanger-anchor the dipstick handle down to it. Problem solved!
Second session: Turn down the boost a little. Third lap or so, I'm hustling around the carousel, get to the track out and think to myself, "Hey, I'm doing 110 at track out, this is great!" Too bad I totally forgot to slow down for the "Bend" and decided to take a short-cut through the kink instead. Arrrrgghh..... Five laps into the session I lose the same charge pipe in a similar "bang-poof" in turn 1. AAARRRGGGHHH!! That's two out of three sessions wasted.
Third session: Nothing spectacular, glad to have the car running. I spent about every-other straightaway coasting at about 100. My oil temps were running around 280, and EGT's were around 1800+, I decided I didn't want to watch my gauges anymore. I pull in and my oil catch-can is full. Not just full, but I think I could use one twice the size of my Moroso, because my battery is covered in oil, my front wheel is coated in oil, my rear wheel has some oil on it, and to top it off, my blow-off valve is still spewing last season's oil out of the intercooler.
Day 2:
First session: Rain. Well, really, it wasn't raining, it was SNOWING. Crap, it's May 1st, why the hell is it still snowing?
I found the wet line, took it mostly-conservative, and did about as much passing as I did being passed. My Toyo's did a good job, besides spinning the tires in puddles at about 100 going in the general direction of Canada Corner. Boost controller was off (8 PSI, 230-ish WHP) which made life a little simpler.Second session: WOW. Great. Boost controller was still off, and the car felt like a 230 WHP dog, but I was really flying. I built up some real confidence and really impressed my instructor. I made just two notable mistakes this session, one in turn 7 again (still fast, but had some interesting drift angle, was watching traffic.). I made a SERIOUS improvement in turn 3 and was just leaving anything behind me in the dust.
Last session: I overfill the oil by about 3/4 quart because I was losing so much. About 1.5 laps into the session, I smell smoke. To top it off I get black flagged. I pull in, they mention smoke, and I get out to take a peek. There was oil running down my downpipe and dripping
... I was paranoid about the oil drain line from the turbo that I found rubbing against the downpipe yesterday, and had wire-wrapped to get a few millimeters of clearance (plus heat wrap, but that will only last so long.). I figure that's what it is, or I just burped some oil out of my burned-up dipstick. Yeah, that's all it was, stupid dipstick. Last session lost.To all you future turbo owners, caveat emptor. But, continuously spraying oil makes a great rust-proofing!
Nice seeing keN SaX there in his ITR, and a number of (Tom, Brian, Ryan, Steve, and others) NSX owners. Met a lot of great guys.
Sorry for the f***ing novel!!
-Chris
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (Chris F)
haha - I know exactly what you mean. I usually have one thing or another to deal with on my SR20'd 240SX when at the track. The car always has SOMETHING going on with it, but it seems to run strong regardless of the issue.
Turbo power is hard to beat though - when you lay on the throttle and hear the compressor spin up to ungodly ear-bursting high frequency RPM range(T25 at 14 psi = 180k+ RPM compressor speeds
) - you just can't top it with stomping on an NA engine and having it "unquirkily" pull you through the corner.
Some advice though - if you're still having charge pipe issues - go get some MAXIMUM HOLD cheap **** hairspray and spray it on both ends of the pipes and tighten the crap out of the clamps. It'll hold forever. I've got a pipe that's not bead rolled that I did the hair spray trick to and it holds 14-15 psi without a problem.
Oh, and do something about those oil temps! I was nervous at 240*F - I can't imagine 280*F.
Turbo power is hard to beat though - when you lay on the throttle and hear the compressor spin up to ungodly ear-bursting high frequency RPM range(T25 at 14 psi = 180k+ RPM compressor speeds
) - you just can't top it with stomping on an NA engine and having it "unquirkily" pull you through the corner. Some advice though - if you're still having charge pipe issues - go get some MAXIMUM HOLD cheap **** hairspray and spray it on both ends of the pipes and tighten the crap out of the clamps. It'll hold forever. I've got a pipe that's not bead rolled that I did the hair spray trick to and it holds 14-15 psi without a problem.
Oh, and do something about those oil temps! I was nervous at 240*F - I can't imagine 280*F.
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (Def)
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Some advice though - if you're still having charge pipe issues - go get some MAXIMUM HOLD cheap **** hairspray and spray it on both ends of the pipes and tighten the crap out of the clamps. It'll hold forever. I've got a pipe that's not bead rolled that I did the hair spray trick to and it holds 14-15 psi without a problem.
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Make sure you use JDM hairspray for anything above 15 PSI. :goes to sleep:
Some advice though - if you're still having charge pipe issues - go get some MAXIMUM HOLD cheap **** hairspray and spray it on both ends of the pipes and tighten the crap out of the clamps. It'll hold forever. I've got a pipe that's not bead rolled that I did the hair spray trick to and it holds 14-15 psi without a problem.
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Make sure you use JDM hairspray for anything above 15 PSI. :goes to sleep:
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (D.CACO)
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Haha, thanks for the advice
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Agreed-- I'm going to try some heat wrap around my downpipe where it runs next to my oil pan, I hope that helps a bit. I'm surprised it was running that hot, it hadn't been last year.
Haha, thanks for the advice
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Agreed-- I'm going to try some heat wrap around my downpipe where it runs next to my oil pan, I hope that helps a bit. I'm surprised it was running that hot, it hadn't been last year.
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (Chris F)
Chris I'm confident that one event in the distant not too soon future, you'll have it all hammered out. Murphy will not be your backseat passenger and you'll be grinning from ear to ear.
Then Hell will freeze over and the polar ice caps will melt instantly and the rest of us will all drown humming "That's Life" happily, and I'll think to myself that Chris had a completely successful track day with no major upset or setbacks as I savor my last breathes...
Glad you get out there, I'm stuck at work as usual G'rrr.
Then Hell will freeze over and the polar ice caps will melt instantly and the rest of us will all drown humming "That's Life" happily, and I'll think to myself that Chris had a completely successful track day with no major upset or setbacks as I savor my last breathes...
Glad you get out there, I'm stuck at work as usual G'rrr.
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (1GreyTeg)
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Thanks for the "pleasant thoughts"
I'm going to stick with a quote from Jon D...
"It's not an oil leak, it's just sweat from all that horsepower!"
Yeah, I fully expected some minor mishaps this weekend, since the motor had been out of the car and the turbo was new too.
Did I mention that my dump tube fell off AGAIN? Jeebus!
Thanks for the "pleasant thoughts"
I'm going to stick with a quote from Jon D...
"It's not an oil leak, it's just sweat from all that horsepower!"
Yeah, I fully expected some minor mishaps this weekend, since the motor had been out of the car and the turbo was new too.
Did I mention that my dump tube fell off AGAIN?
Jeebus!
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (Chris F)
Speaking from experience, adding oil to a car that already spits it out via the PCV doesnt work too well...
My friend with the same car as me has to drain the can and put the oil back into the motor between autocross runs, let alone on an HPDE. Oh I cant wait for the July HPDE at Summit Point...
My friend with the same car as me has to drain the can and put the oil back into the motor between autocross runs, let alone on an HPDE. Oh I cant wait for the July HPDE at Summit Point...
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (skierd)
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hehehe
I'm so paranoid about losing oil pressure around the carousel, I ended up just putting in MORE oil to recover the oil I was planning to lose to the catch can. Actually, I can just about see my oil pressure gauge in my video, I'm going to take a closer look at it later tonight to see if it did drop off anywhere.
Time to figure out a catchcan drainback system for you and me. Great, another hole in my oil pan, just what I need...
hehehe
I'm so paranoid about losing oil pressure around the carousel, I ended up just putting in MORE oil to recover the oil I was planning to lose to the catch can.
Actually, I can just about see my oil pressure gauge in my video, I'm going to take a closer look at it later tonight to see if it did drop off anywhere.Time to figure out a catchcan drainback system for you and me. Great, another hole in my oil pan, just what I need...
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (skierd)
Chris, do you have an oil cooler? That might at least help with the engine temps. And get a baffled oil pan if you don't already have one, so you don't have to worry so much about starvation in the turns.
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (Chris F)
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hehehe
I'm so paranoid about losing oil pressure around the carousel, I ended up just putting in MORE oil to recover the oil I was planning to lose to the catch can. Actually, I can just about see my oil pressure gauge in my video, I'm going to take a closer look at it later tonight to see if it did drop off anywhere.
Time to figure out a catchcan drainback system for you and me. Great, another hole in my oil pan, just what I need...
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Well, thinking about it a little.... we could probably take the drain plug out of the bottom of the can, install a fitting, and have a drain line back into the sump like a turbocharged car does. The only problem with that is finding space in the engine back for the can where its high enough to drain well into the pan. Or maybe fit a y pipe onto the dipstick tube and drain the oil into it?
Lucky for me, they made a turbo version of my motor. *goes looking for a turbo scoupe oil pan*
hehehe
I'm so paranoid about losing oil pressure around the carousel, I ended up just putting in MORE oil to recover the oil I was planning to lose to the catch can.
Actually, I can just about see my oil pressure gauge in my video, I'm going to take a closer look at it later tonight to see if it did drop off anywhere.Time to figure out a catchcan drainback system for you and me. Great, another hole in my oil pan, just what I need...
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Well, thinking about it a little.... we could probably take the drain plug out of the bottom of the can, install a fitting, and have a drain line back into the sump like a turbocharged car does. The only problem with that is finding space in the engine back for the can where its high enough to drain well into the pan. Or maybe fit a y pipe onto the dipstick tube and drain the oil into it?
Lucky for me, they made a turbo version of my motor. *goes looking for a turbo scoupe oil pan*
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (sscguy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Chris, do you have an oil cooler? That might at least help with the engine temps. And get a baffled oil pan if you don't already have one, so you don't have to worry so much about starvation in the turns.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes, I have an oil cooler, and I haven't seen oil get that hot before. Maybe I have little bits of dipstick tube clogging the oil cooler lines
I do have to check it out, but I'm thinking that with the lower compression/higher EGT's, my exhaust downpipe is going to be really heating the oil in the oil pan, and some good heat wrap for it (half-inch thick ceramic stuff that I have) will help 10-20 degrees.
I don't mind running that hot on synthetic so much, but I'm running dyno oil since I'm still breaking in the motor
yes, I have an oil cooler, and I haven't seen oil get that hot before. Maybe I have little bits of dipstick tube clogging the oil cooler lines
I do have to check it out, but I'm thinking that with the lower compression/higher EGT's, my exhaust downpipe is going to be really heating the oil in the oil pan, and some good heat wrap for it (half-inch thick ceramic stuff that I have) will help 10-20 degrees.I don't mind running that hot on synthetic so much, but I'm running dyno oil since I'm still breaking in the motor
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (Chris F)
wow...what a slew of annoying problems...
but at least you got to drive at road america! its a dream of mine to run an HPDE there.....such an amazing looking track. i've only spectated at races there.
but at least you got to drive at road america! its a dream of mine to run an HPDE there.....such an amazing looking track. i've only spectated at races there.
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Re: How to not-finish half of your HPDE runs *mad* (redzcstandardhatch)
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A bad day at the track is better than a good day at the office.
It's a pretty good track. On the keN SaX list of tracks, it's about 12th on the list. It's really high speed, and there seems to be sheetmetal damage EVERY weekend, but it's definitely a great experience that I'd try to make it to for sure.
Oh, and my day was significantly better than this guys:
Modified by Chris F at 2:04 PM 5/2/2005
A bad day at the track is better than a good day at the office.
It's a pretty good track. On the keN SaX list of tracks, it's about 12th on the list. It's really high speed, and there seems to be sheetmetal damage EVERY weekend, but it's definitely a great experience that I'd try to make it to for sure.
Oh, and my day was significantly better than this guys:
Modified by Chris F at 2:04 PM 5/2/2005
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I feel your charge-pipe problem... I was fighting with that a lot at first, but the problem was completely solved by T-bolt clamps and adding a little lip to the charge-pipes. I put the pipes into the couplings so that they were firmly attached, but I still allowed some play in the coupling itself... that way they can flex, rather than trying to work themselves loose.
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More details on the wreck? (Turn number, group, driver ok, mechanical error, driver error, etc etc) Those will be the things for me to look out for when I drive that track again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Advanced group, carousel, driver error.
If there's something to learn from the Lotus incident, I'll try to share it.
Based on a account from someone that watched the track video of the accident:
The driver came out of the carousel either too hot or at the wrong angle and was on his way to put 2 wheels off on the outside. He may have pinched the steering, lifted, or both. From the time that he did put two wheels off, there were five frames of video of him crossing back across the track and smacking the wall on the inside. His car did a helicoper-spin in the air and landed square in the middle of the track.
Lesson #1: Don't lift or pinch the turn. Drive straight off and gather it in a straight line.
Next seried of events were interesting. Drivers reported seeing a STANDING YELLOW, which there may have been, followed by a waving yellow. Half of the track was on a cool-down lap, being the last hot lap, so they assumed the advanced group would manage to get around the wreck in the middle of the track, cool down and exit at turn 5.
Interestingly enough, a few people stopped short of the Lotus at the exit of the Carousel, effectively blocking any clean exit around the lotus. Traffic coming through the carousel in a HOT manner narrowly avoided collision with the stopped cars.
Lesson #2: Cars in the middle of the track should be a Red flag regardless of it being the last lap (HPDE, anyway).
Lesson #3: If you see a standing or waving yellow, give lots of room and take it easy until you see the next corner station. Look farther ahead to not be surprised by bad things. Also, DON'T stop on track unless you see a red flag, go around the incident in a controlled and safe manner.
More details on the wreck? (Turn number, group, driver ok, mechanical error, driver error, etc etc) Those will be the things for me to look out for when I drive that track again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Advanced group, carousel, driver error.
If there's something to learn from the Lotus incident, I'll try to share it.
Based on a account from someone that watched the track video of the accident:
The driver came out of the carousel either too hot or at the wrong angle and was on his way to put 2 wheels off on the outside. He may have pinched the steering, lifted, or both. From the time that he did put two wheels off, there were five frames of video of him crossing back across the track and smacking the wall on the inside. His car did a helicoper-spin in the air and landed square in the middle of the track.
Lesson #1: Don't lift or pinch the turn. Drive straight off and gather it in a straight line.
Next seried of events were interesting. Drivers reported seeing a STANDING YELLOW, which there may have been, followed by a waving yellow. Half of the track was on a cool-down lap, being the last hot lap, so they assumed the advanced group would manage to get around the wreck in the middle of the track, cool down and exit at turn 5.
Interestingly enough, a few people stopped short of the Lotus at the exit of the Carousel, effectively blocking any clean exit around the lotus. Traffic coming through the carousel in a HOT manner narrowly avoided collision with the stopped cars.
Lesson #2: Cars in the middle of the track should be a Red flag regardless of it being the last lap (HPDE, anyway).
Lesson #3: If you see a standing or waving yellow, give lots of room and take it easy until you see the next corner station. Look farther ahead to not be surprised by bad things. Also, DON'T stop on track unless you see a red flag, go around the incident in a controlled and safe manner.
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Gee, my bad luck at the same event seems tame by comparison. Then again, Chris didn't get to meet the nice folks in the ambulance.
Which brings us to...
Lesson #4: Before putting on your helmet, make sure one of these guys isn't hiding inside:
Because otherwise, you will find out the answer to the question, "Why is that instructor removing his helmet while his student is driving around the track?"
Which brings us to...
Lesson #4: Before putting on your helmet, make sure one of these guys isn't hiding inside:
Because otherwise, you will find out the answer to the question, "Why is that instructor removing his helmet while his student is driving around the track?"
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hoho! That is possibly the strangest thing I've heard! There were a couple of yellowjackets flying around, but they usually don't sting unless you try to share an article of clothing with them.
I do believe I'd take my helmet off too..
It came up in our classroom session. "If you're on track, or stopped off track, you need to keep your helmet on." The classroom instructor was then asked if a wasp would qualify as an exception. He didn't go so far as to say "No" but he used a few words to that effect. If I was driving at the time, I'm not sure what I'd do, probably struggle along until I could pull off safely (pit or other track exit). I'd also thank my lucky stars I'm not allergic to any insect stings.
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hoho! That is possibly the strangest thing I've heard! There were a couple of yellowjackets flying around, but they usually don't sting unless you try to share an article of clothing with them.
I do believe I'd take my helmet off too..
It came up in our classroom session. "If you're on track, or stopped off track, you need to keep your helmet on." The classroom instructor was then asked if a wasp would qualify as an exception. He didn't go so far as to say "No" but he used a few words to that effect.
If I was driving at the time, I'm not sure what I'd do, probably struggle along until I could pull off safely (pit or other track exit). I'd also thank my lucky stars I'm not allergic to any insect stings.-Chris
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Re: (Chris F)
To fix the charge pipe problem you could also weld a bracket on one pipe (thin straight metal), that goes across the coupling, has a hole on the other side, and have a stud welded on the other pipe. Put stud in hole, nut on top, and it's held together unless you remove it.
Also, maybe you were dripping smoke out of your downpipe from when you overfilled the oil, possibly blocking off the drain hole and having oil get past the seals?
Anywho, glad to see turbo cars out on the track
Also, maybe you were dripping smoke out of your downpipe from when you overfilled the oil, possibly blocking off the drain hole and having oil get past the seals?
Anywho, glad to see turbo cars out on the track
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Re: (Dbl Ey!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dbl Ey! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds like Wisconsin is just bad luck. </TD></TR></TABLE>
you call plymouth bad luck???
turbo-R's are a waste of time, effort and patience.
</TD></TR></TABLE>you call plymouth bad luck???
turbo-R's are a waste of time, effort and patience.
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Re: (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gee, my bad luck at the same event seems tame by comparison. Then again, Chris didn't get to meet the nice folks in the ambulance.
Which brings us to...
Lesson #4: Before putting on your helmet, make sure one of these guys isn't hiding inside:
Because otherwise, you will find out the answer to the question, "Why is that instructor removing his helmet while his student is driving around the track?"
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sorry ken but that is the single funniest thing i've ever heard happen at the track.
Which brings us to...
Lesson #4: Before putting on your helmet, make sure one of these guys isn't hiding inside:
Because otherwise, you will find out the answer to the question, "Why is that instructor removing his helmet while his student is driving around the track?"
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sorry ken but that is the single funniest thing i've ever heard happen at the track.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lanceh »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">turbo-R's are a waste of time, effort and patience.</TD></TR></TABLE>
They're really fast wastes of time, effort, patience and money.
Kinda reminds me of all HPDE/Racing, just a bit more exaggerated.
-Chris
They're really fast wastes of time, effort, patience and money.
Kinda reminds me of all HPDE/Racing, just a bit more exaggerated.
-Chris