how well would this combo work out? a gsr head on a b16 block..

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well the B16 head will outflow the GSR head. But the GSR head will bump up the compression about .23 points. Id stick with the B16 head.

 

nice fast reply

thanks for info

 

b16 head on gsr block is the way to go, but if you cant go that way, stick with the b16 head

 

gsr head with gsr cams and a skunk2 mani on a b16 it always made good power on mine

 

i have a gsr head on a 84mm b16. i heard that the gsr head flows more

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by downeyballz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a gsr head on a 84mm b16. i heard that the gsr head flows more</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong, B16 Head has same casting as an R, Which has higher Flow. B16 head is lethal on any crvtec/lsvtec. B16 Head owns. not Gsr.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by conFusedEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Wrong, B16 Head has same casting as an R, Which has higher Flow. B16 head is lethal on any crvtec/lsvtec. B16 Head owns. not Gsr.</TD></TR></TABLE>

just because it has the same casting as a type r head does not make it better. it doesnt have the porting that the R head has, which is what makes it better. You'd know this if you've ever had the two heads side by side

 

reaction 360 how long did you run the b16 block with a gsr head... I'm thinking about doing the same thing... Those just happen to be the parts I have laying around. Are you boosting it?

 

I read in one of those Honda Performance books that the GSR head is better because of something to do with having Higher Quench Areas or something, like that?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fishnfst &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">reaction 360 how long did you run the b16 block with a gsr head... I'm thinking about doing the same thing... Those just happen to be the parts I have laying around. Are you boosting it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I too, originally ran this setup just becuase i had the parts laying around and later decided to build a spare b16 bottom end, just pistons and rods. the setup runs fine. there are no issues or anything like that, ran just the same as it would have with a b16 head. but with maybe around .2 higher compression. i was running around 9.2:1 compression and made 360whp on this setup.

I mean we can all get real technical with this topic , start talkin bout flow characteristics, intake port design combustion chambers etc......and beat it to death like many before us have. but IMO, when it comes to turbos i'd just use which ever head you have available.

 

Good thread cause I too have a b16 block and a gsr head sitting in my garage, was going to sell it to a buddy of mine but wasn't sure how the engine would run, would it be like a normal b16 or would it have more "oomp" to it?

 

this b16 vs gsr head flowing better yadda yadda has been discussed so many times. but from things ive seen posted they basically both flow exactly the same but the gsr comes out on top slightly.

gsr head on a b16 block is a good idea. ive had a few friends who did that setup and i believe bcruz on HT had that on one of his cars and said it felt great.

but i dont see the point of putting a b16 head on a gsr block unless you have higher compression pistons. maybe if you are going turbo then yes, but otherwise no.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sean &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

but i dont see the point of putting a b16 head on a gsr block unless you have higher compression pistons. maybe if you are going turbo then yes, but otherwise no.</TD></TR></TABLE>

would throwing in type r psitons do the job? Sorry about thread jacking

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lee_Delso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

would throwing in type r psitons do the job? Sorry about thread jacking </TD></TR></TABLE>

yes it would, then you will have almost a itr setup. minus the cams, manifold, tb, etc.

 

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would throwing in type r psitons do the job? Sorry about thread jacking </TD></TR></TABLE>

aka "poor man's type r"

 

so after all you guys recomend gsr head and b16 block? i 2 am interested in running this setup

 

im running a b16 block bored to 84mm (1.7-1.8 L) i like this set up because the shorter stroke will allow the motor to rev faster and higher but keep the same displacement as a gsr. i would also like to see some facts proving the b16 head out flows a gsr head

 

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just because it has the same casting as a type r head does not make it better. it doesnt have the porting that the R head has, which is what makes it better. You'd know this if you've ever had the two heads side by side</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually Its proven to have higher flow over the Gs-r Head. Sitting 2 heads together doesnt prove it. Second why is it a b16 head is more desired then the Gs-r? why is it that b16 heads on on the c1's are highly common? Is it just to be cool?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by conFusedEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Actually Its proven to have higher flow over the Gs-r Head. Sitting 2 heads together doesnt prove it. Second why is it a b16 head is more desired then the Gs-r? why is it that b16 heads on on the c1's are highly common? Is it just to be cool?</TD></TR></TABLE>

well actually, from what i've seen , more people choose to go with a gsr head. not really sure who you're lookin at or where you're reading this. and obviously, you're not reading anyone else's responses. since a few others have chosen this route. and i believe someone else here said the gsr flowed better. but again, its mostly opinion.

and second , for you to say b16 heads are more desired then a gsr head is stupid. because no matter wat statistic you look at, there will be another one that says different. and whats to say, people dont just use b16 heads so they can use jdm itr intake manifolds?

third, i've never seen anyone get rid of their gsr head for a b16 head cuz it flows better. if anything, they do it to lower their compression a bit.

i mean, you come up with all these statements saying b16 heads are better blah blah, but nothing to back it up with. I'm not saying gsr heads are better, but at the same time i dont think gsr heads flow any less then a b16 head.

 

Here is a dyno chart of an LSVTEC using a B16a head plotted against a LSVTEC w/ a B18C(1) head



"Subject: LS/VTEC with GSR head VS B16A head similar mods.



This is a VERY good comparison to look at...

Question: What is the best head to put on my b-series, GS-R or B16A?

Answer: In the opinion of myself, I have to go with a GS-R head.

Look at the graph...here is the 2 motors..

On 1 side we have the LS/VTEC B16A head...coming in at 180 HP...
The bottom end is EXACTLY the same as the GS-R LS/VTEC...exactly...
so it makes for a good comparison.

B16A has:
port flow port/polish (mild)
Civic Type-R intake cam
ITR exhaust cam
Comp valve springs/retainers
Type-R intake manifold

GS-R head has:
Stock head
Stock valvetrain
Stock intake manifold
ITR cams, intake and exhaust.
and it made a little more power, as you can see by chart.
With the GS-R head, you also will definitely get more torque.

 

b16

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by reaction360 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i mean, you come up with all these statements saying b16 heads are better blah blah, but nothing to back it up with. I'm not saying gsr heads are better, but at the same time i dont think gsr heads flow any less then a b16 head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Happens all the time. I find that a lot of people on this site read false information in threads, and then automatically think it is fact.

Lots of dumbasses

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jonzo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Happens all the time. I find that a lot of people on this site read false information in threads, and then automatically think it is fact.

Lots of dumbasses </TD></TR></TABLE>

and you have anything to add ?

b16

 

Why is everyone still say B16? I just show dyno tested proof or the better one, GSR.