A little less then I was hoping for. A/f curve still isn't perfect, but certainly a lot better. This was only 1 hour worth of my work.




Setup as follows:

B18C1 block and head
ITR intake valves and valvesprings
Skunk2 Stage 1 cams
Skunk 2 gears (-2ex / +2 in)
USDM ITR pistons
Exeddy stage 1 clutch
Balanced bottom end
Skunk2 intake manifold
60mm GSR TB
Stock airbox with K&N
DC 4-1 JDM header
custom full 2.5" exhaust and high flow cat

This was on pump gas of course. "Tuned" using Crome. Opinions, flames, etc. all welcome.

 

Lookin' good! whats your AFR at?

 

not bad!!!

 

Setup as follows:

B18C1 block and head
ITR intake valves and valvesprings
Skunk2 Stage 1 cams
Skunk 2 gears (-2ex / +2 in)
USDM ITR pistons
Exeddy stage 1 clutch
Balanced bottom end
Skunk2 intake manifold
60mm GSR TBStock airbox with K&NDC 4-1 JDM header
custom full 2.5" exhaust and high flow cat

This was on pump gas of course. "Tuned" using Crome. Opinions, flames, etc. all welcome.[/QUOTE]

get rid of that asap...get a type R throttle body bored, and youll see a big difference. also get a better header.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ceLtic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Setup as follows:

B18C1 block and head
ITR intake valves and valvesprings
Skunk2 Stage 1 cams
Skunk 2 gears (-2ex / +2 in)
USDM ITR pistons
Exeddy stage 1 clutch
Balanced bottom end
Skunk2 intake manifold
60mm GSR TBStock airbox with K&NDC 4-1 JDM header
custom full 2.5" exhaust and high flow cat

This was on pump gas of course. "Tuned" using Crome. Opinions, flames, etc. all welcome.</TD></TR></TABLE>

get rid of that asap...get a type R throttle body bored, and youll see a big difference. also get a better header. [/QUOTE]

Throttle body is next. Getting it bored to 64mm. The intake will be replaced with an ITR stock airbox. Header.... well, I think I can hit my goal with it without any trouble.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSVTEC 91 Civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lookin' good! whats your AFR at?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its complete crap. Check this out. Dunno why I get this hump. I added fuel, but it didn't seem to change much. Perhaps the timing is the issue. I am still learning how to tune.

 

Wow, you Have the exact same setup as me. Except im running hondata and have the Apexi WS exhaust and a Greddy header and bored my gsr TB. Also my cams are set at 0,0. I put down 191hp and 137ft/lbs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cjohnson_2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow, you Have the exact same setup as me. Except im running hondata and have the Apexi WS exhaust and a Greddy header and bored my gsr TB. Also my cams are set at 0,0. I put down 191hp and 137ft/lbs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah.. I think the throttle body is holding me back right now. Can't see how the header and exhaust would make that much difference... I take it your Hondata was tuned also? I tried messing with mine, but can't get it perfect like they always seem to be able to with Hondata. Still learning though.

You also using the stock airbox?

 

Yes, thats what is tuned, my hondata. We didnt have time to mess with my cams when I was there. I forgot, no, I dont have the stock airbox. Im running the ITR AEM CAI. I also rerouted my coolant and Have the Hondata IM gasket.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cjohnson_2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, thats what is tuned, my hondata. We didnt have time to mess with my cams when I was there. I forgot, no, I dont have the stock airbox. Im running the ITR AEM CAI. I also rerouted my coolant and Have the Hondata IM gasket.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I dynoed the stock airbox/K&N combo against a Civic EX AEM CAI and lost 8whp with the stock airbox. I would only expect similar results, if not more, with the larger displacement engine using the 3" ITR AEM CAI. Perhaps I should look to getting one of those intakes. Also, getting that a/f curve dialed in would surely show me some better gains. The problem is the wideband sits in the tailpipe, AFTER the cat. Not the best way by anymeans to try to tune something. I think I will also be getting a nice wideband also.

 

it could be better but it's not something u should be dissapointed about. more tuning will help.

 

I wouldn't say your throttle body or intake is really holding you back. Sure a higher flow intake with 3 in. piping will help, and boring your tb will help too, but they aren't choking points in your set-up. In addition to the intake and tb, I would definitely look into some head porting. The stock head is definitely going to be a choking point in your engine package as you start trying to make more power. ****, with some head porting, a 3 in. intake, and tuning, you are probably going to be pretty close to around 200 whp.

 

Damn man, my fairly stock b16 will lay down those numbers!

 

Don't waste your money... stock itr air box and gsr's are the same thing.

The intake arm is the difference, itr has a larger diameter intake arm.

The resonator box for the intake is also a bit different, but not the box itself.

 

get Hondata

 

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I don't know of ANY "fairly" stock B16 that will "lay down" anything close to these numbers. I used to have a B17 before this engine. It had CTR pistons, same cams, etc, etc and this engine would by far surpass it. You can't just sit back and look at peak numbers. Peak numbers are for homos. Look at the entire powerband, that is what will tell the story as to which engine is faster.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iRrEsiStibLe NaY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't waste your money... stock itr air box and gsr's are the same thing.

The intake arm is the difference, itr has a larger diameter intake arm.

The resonator box for the intake is also a bit different, but not the box itself. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I already have the ITR/GSR airbox and a K&N filter as well as the ITR intake arm. Just didn't have it on for the dyno. Don't know if I should stick with it or just go get a real intake.

 

still loving b16a stock block 185 whp 115 ft-lbs

^^ Thats a thread, and yes, that motor WOULD rip you a new ***. Notice that it is now updated to 195 whp STILL on a stock block with about the same compression(maybe a little less) than you have. 1.6 faith man!!!!

 

u want power, get a real intake one and not no stock one... and throttle body aint gonna hold u back that much... hey didnt i tell u was gonna make about 175hp that one nite on wednesday? good guess huh... but anyways im sure u can get more power out of it... good luck..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">still loving b16a stock block 185 whp 115 ft-lbs

^^ Thats a thread, and yes, that motor WOULD rip you a new ***. Notice that it is now updated to 195 whp STILL on a stock block with about the same compression(maybe a little less) than you have. 1.6 faith man!!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Allow me to help you, please. You seem to be lost.

First, search for your "beloved" post about that you mentioned above. Now, read the list of mods. Hardly a "Stock" B16 by any means. Kindly not several key things here:

He is running a test pipe, mine is through a cat
He has Jun stage 3's, I have Skunk2 stage 1's (BARELY better then CTR's)
He is fully tuned, I am not

Now, after you notice that, kindly begin the second part of this process here. Now, note that at 5,500rpms, he is putting down 114whp as shown by his dyno. Now, note that at the same point, I am already ahead of him at 117whp. Now, continue to study the graph of this engine that will "Rape" me and notice what he puts down at 8,000rpms... Now we can see, its about 175.. So we can see its basically identical to my dyno except he makes power PAST this point and thus creates a higher peak. Considering the cams and "Breathing" mods he has over me, this is far from impressive. That along with the obvious handicap he has with the lack of torque and I think you can begin to see that saying this engine would "rape" me might have just earned your foot a place in your mouth.

Please, I don't mind constructive critisism.. But I don't like people who do nothing but stare at peak numbers and fail to have any idea what they are looking at.

 

Alright man, for one, you only have 3 more ft. pound of torque than he does at 5,500. You are a 1.8, he is a 1.6. He has the same compression, if not anything you have more, granted he has bigger cams, but you have more displacement. Yes he is tuned, but maybe you should've waited to post until you were "fully tuned." There is not doubt that the B16 would beat you as of now, thats common sense. All I'm sayin is that your hp/torque #'s are way low for your set up. I would race you with my fairly stock b16b and beat you, thats the facts. Get it tuned with Hondata and I'm sure(at least I hope you will), make more horsepower. Good luck......

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alright man, for one, you only have 3 more ft. pound of torque than he does at 5,500. You are a 1.8, he is a 1.6. He has the same compression, if not anything you have more, granted he has bigger cams, but you have more displacement. Yes he is tuned, but maybe you should've waited to post until you were "fully tuned." There is not doubt that the B16 would beat you as of now, thats common sense. All I'm sayin is that your hp/torque #'s are way low for your set up. I would race you with my fairly stock b16b and beat you, thats the facts. Get it tuned with Hondata and I'm sure(at least I hope you will), make more horsepower. Good luck......</TD></TR></TABLE>

Also, please note the addition of his Hytech header is what got him the 188whp numbers. He said "uncorrected" it would surpass 190. Who cares about uncorrected? He also points out that he laid down only 177whp (Wow, same as me) when he went back to dyno in the rain. Well guess what.. Humidity was just as high with me. It was raining outside and what do you know, we got the same numbers.

Think your car will beat mine? Sweet, lemme see your times?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damn man, my fairly stock b16 will lay down those numbers! </TD></TR></TABLE>

you suck at life.

 

I'm not gonna get into another argument thread. Bottom line, he put down more hp, less compression, less displacement. If you can't except that than I'm sorry, thats your problem, not mine. Good luck with your build.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not gonna get into another argument thread. Bottom line, he put down more hp, less compression, less displacement. If you can't except that than I'm sorry, thats your problem, not mine. Good luck with your build.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You spell as good as you read...

Its "Accept", not except. I didn't argue anything about his numbers. I know they were higher. But you came in here with your mouth running on something you had no clue about. Then when you got called on it, you ran with your tail between your legs.