Well I am updating my build. I took advice from one of the members on here to bump it up to a 1.8l with a few goodies. So now my goal is 200 whp in a civic coupe 2000. What do you guys think? Throw me your opinios weather they be positive or negative, im here to learn. Should be ready for tuning and running around feb. Compression should be around 12.4

= have or on its way

<U>B16B Civic Type-R</U>
Exedy Organic Clutch
Act Prolite 8.9 lbs Flywheel

Itr micropolished and balanced crank
Itr Rods
Ctr pistons

Skunk 2 Stage 2 Cams
Skunk 2 Valves
Skunk 2 Valve springs
Skunk 2 Retainers
Skunk 2 Cam gears
Spoon Headgasket

Hondata s200 chipped p28

Aem Fuel Pressure Regulator

Short ram Intake
JDM Itr 4-1 Headers
Apexi N1 Exhaust

Again all in a 2000 civic coupe

Thanks!


Modified by JDMstance99 at 5:24 PM 12/27/2004


Modified by JDMstance99 at 4:58 PM 12/30/2004

 

I would stay 1.6, but thats just what I like. It takes alot more thought and energy to squeeze the extra HP out of that 1.6, but once you do, trust me you'll have your respect. A smaller block the evens or betters the HP of a 1.8 is definatly more respectable in my opinion. Remember that their is no other stock Honda bottom end that can safely out rev a B16B... The math on the motor is just perfect and there is no other bottom end that touches the same sweet spot. Look into it further..

Another thing is the Skunk products, I really think (get other opinions on this) that a Omni Power or Rocket valve train would do you much better and for alot cheaper. As for cams, consider Rocket m22's or Buddy Club Spec III+'s. You see better over all gains and you valve train wont be so damn stiff.

One more recommendation would be to stick to the OEM head gasket. I don't buy the Spoon hype.

Do some searches.. There's alot of info on these products.

Hondata

Good luck, hope everyone chimes in and helps you make clarity out of all this...

Here's my build up: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1093837

 

What head are you gonna be using?

 

maybe get the head ported little to squeeze some power out of it..

 

i agree that getting equal power out of a smaller displacement engine is impressive, i think the type r crank will still make for a very strong engine. i would bet it would be a decently fast car. its basically a type r engine with ctr pistons and cams to take advantage of the compression. as far as out revving a ctr engine, i think it would safely rev high enough. i had a friend that revved a stock itr to 9200-9400 when he raced it, and it ran very strong.

 

yea the crank is micropolished and balanced, the only way im revving it past 9 grand is if its still making power.... keep the suggestions coming though

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IN VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What head are you gonna be using?</TD></TR></TABLE>

ctr with skunnk2 products

 

**** staying 1.6

i like your plan to go 1.8

torque rules.

omni already built a bad *** 1.6. who cares if another one is built.

 

A port&polish job will do you some good on that setup, but if you have a B16B it comes with a mild p&p from the factory.(--Anyone correct me, if I'm wrong.) So you can save that money or spend it elsewhere.

I'm not going to try and talk you out of going 1.8 'cuz it seems like you're set on that. To each their own, and I hope you get it done. I have my own NA 200+whp project coming soon.

 

I also have a b16b I am trying to get 200 whp on the stock 1.6 block. I am at 171whp now with just i/h/e and tuning.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EVOL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">**** staying 1.6

i like your plan to go 1.8

torque rules.

omni already built a bad *** 1.6. who cares if another one is built.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea, feed me torque!!!! haha j/p

 

go with an ls crank, you'll have a little more torque in that beast..

the ITR crank is WAY to heavy

 

good idea ditching the 1.6 crank if u are trying to make an easy 200hp. it is very do able with the set up you are going with. i would stick with a stock head gasket. and get a 65+mm throttle body. good luck

 

you might want to also consider an AEBS intake manifold...they are making GOOD power, and they are cheap as ****

 

a ctr is probably just as big

 

if im not mistaken (and i can be wrong) the CTR is nothing but a destroked ITR, and the AEBS has been proven to out perform a ported ITR manifold

 

&lt;----- b16b. my setup's quite similar. staying 1.6 though

 

bump for 100 posts!

 

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i like your plan to go 1.8

torque rules.

omni already built a bad *** 1.6. who cares if another one is built.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Yeah, and I guess nobody has ever built a "bad ***" 1.8 or bigger. Not to mention that Omni is a professional, why not see if an amatuer can get close to 200 with a 1.6 crank?? Bump for this build, I wanna see what you get! What is your final compression gonna be? Maybe do a different header or is that outta your budget??

 

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Yeah, and I guess nobody has ever built a "bad ***" 1.8 or bigger. Not to mention that Omni is a professional, why not see if an amatuer can get close to 200 with a 1.6 crank?? Bump for this build, I wanna see what you get! What is your final compression gonna be? Maybe do a different header or is that outta your budget?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

because in the end, 1.8 has more potential than the 1.6

that simple.

 

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matt...the crank is heavy for a reason

full counterweights are good...if you rebalance for your rotating assembly

 

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because in the end, 1.8 has more potential than the 1.6

that simple.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Some people like the longer power curve though.

 

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Yeah, and I guess nobody has ever built a "bad ***" 1.8 or bigger. Not to mention that Omni is a professional, why not see if an amatuer can get close to 200 with a 1.6 crank?? Bump for this build, I wanna see what you get! What is your final compression gonna be? Maybe do a different header or is that outta your budget?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

The reason im going to go with a 1.8 crank and rods is because you can simply get more power out of a 1.8 than a 1.6 N/A. Also, since by b16b is a destroked b18c it will run harder than a normal b18c because of the combination of the ctr pistons with the itr rods, i Should have about 12.4 compression with the spoon or mugen headgasket in the end.

Im going to go ahead and put in the crank rods and cluthc and flywheel in about 2 weeks from now and then about 2 months later finish it off with the head. I am planning on dynoing my car before these 2 weeks and after the bottom end is "messed around" with. Thanks for reading, will keep you posted.

 

And for the header, nothing is really out of my budgit, just might take a little longer to save, what header would you guys like to see me go with?

 

if you're on a budget, go with a dc jdm itr head or oem jdm itr header and watch out for speed bumps.