I've read so many threads on this topic it's disgusting, but the problem is people are very opinionated and the amount of misinformation being spread is gross.

Does this setup yield better handling over stock? Also, how bad is it to run these on stock shocks? Please do not respond unless you've previously owned some H&R's or have something VALUABLE to add. I've heard people cursing these springs while others swear they create a more responsive feel over stock. What's the definitive answer. TIA -Ryan

 

id say they are good for lowering your car about an inch and still feeling like a stock ride. other than that I didnt notice much except maybe a slightly higher spring rate causing slightly more bouncy ride due to the stock shocks. stock feel, about an inch lower, for under $200

 

2 friends of mine have them on their R's. Both on stock shocks, both cars under 20k miles on them.

I rode in both and like both rides

 

^--- Agreed, I am using this exact setup and I love it. The drop looks amazing, people always ask me what setup I'm using. It is a little bouncy but I do notice a lot better handling over the stock feel.

 

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better handling? do you track the car and did you do a before and after? im not saying you are bullshitting but think about what you just said for a minute, and elaborate a bit on it if you can.

i dont think you can really generalize and say it has "better handling". it feels so close to stock that i dont think you will notice a difference, especially on the street.

 

Not sure if this will turn out to be more B.S. or misinformation for you, but I have had these on my R for the past couple of years. I bought them as I mainly wanted to lower my car, and chose these over Tien and Eibach after reading/lurking here. The car turns in a little better, and has a little less lean than stock. The ride quality is not too far from stock, and the car is not slammed. This is all fine when you use the R as a daily driver, and the shocks are somewhat fresh. But, as the shocks begin to wear, you will be able to tell that they are not keeping up with the springs in spirited driving. I've now used these springs for over 20K miles with stock shocks, so I am at that point now, and am considering what to do next. In my opinion, I would not use this set up if you have serious intentions for your car. However, this may be a good interim step if you plan on changing out your shocks (Bilsteins or Konis) in the near future. I've read that this is a fairly decent set up for a mainly street driven vehicle. Please keep in mind that this is just a subjective opinion, and I do not track my car (as of yet).

 

Sorry let me clear that up, for my every day driving I do feel a difference in handling. I didn't mean to say "a lot better" but it is noticable to me, i should have wrote slighty instead of a lot. If someone disagree's then thats their opinion, hope that clears up what I meant to say, why would I bullshit?? I love the setup for my R

 

I personally didnt notice any difference in handling and quite honestly im sick of the HR springs I have... I daily drive the car and its alright but I really dont want the car to sway anymore in turns. I picked up some tein HAs and cant wait to drive using them!

 

when I purchased my R, it had the H&R sport springs... I think the ride is great... my car only has like 25k on it, I think I must have added 10k on the springs... still with stock shocks... if you want em, I might be throwin them up for sale soon, I'm contemplating on either the JIC magic's or Tein's... not sure which ones I will end up going with

 

Not an ITR, but I have the Sports on my GSR. Although I never ran them with stock shocks, I went straight to KYB AGX.

They're supposed to lower 1.75" but they will sag to over 2" (Mine is about 2.25") I like the look and the handling was definately better over stock GSR. Daily driving is comfortable but solid, but IN MY OPINION, that's it. I highly doubt that I'll like this setup on a road course as I do touge here and there, and don't like it up there.

EDIT: Forgot to add, that I don't only blame the springs, I blame the cheapo KYB AGX

 

Had HandR springs on stock shocks for 64k miles with several track events nice ride in my opinion especially for $149

 

ok i will start off by saying I was in your same exact position and didnt know what to do.

however one day i broke down and said that i was tired of looking at the mosterous wheel gap the R had and decided to just buy the H&R sports.

I didnt know how it would ride and didnt know how it would handle eighter.

after having two of my close friends help me with the install I took it for a drive.

all I can say is WOW the springs "even though on stock shocks" have greatly reduced the little body roll and pitch the R had to begin with.

The car just simply stays tight and balanced on corners and on the road.
The car responds so much faster and tighter. anyone that dislikes these springs especially for "$145" is crazy. the springs imporve handle alot, and I dont see myself buying coilovers for years to come.

The car when normal driving drives exactly like STOCK. I mean exaclty. you can notice that the car is slighlty higher sprung and feels I would describe as "peppy" and "eager" to have a corner thrown at it.

now let me tell you that my car feels this way on original shocks that have about 80k on them.

so yours will feel even more amazing, buy and install with confidence.

 

I guess i'm going to have to get ITR struts for my Si....I have the H&R's, and after 25k miles and one year on them,the car feels completely underdamped.

At first the springs were ok for the stock struts, but like someone said above /\ /\ , I would plan on getting aftermarket struts for them in the near future.

However, as far as handling and looks are concerned, I' m pleased with the H&R Sports, especially for the $60 i payed for them.

 

It seems as if everyones shocks start to blow out w/ these after about 20K???? What's the deal

 

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bouncy ride = blown shocks dude...implies your shocks were dead to begin with.

I have them on a set of stock shocks, driving them for around 25k miles, on track, off track, as grandpa pointed out at pictures at summit point, it appears they help a lot....ross/I were taking same turn and the difference was night and day

btw, they wont blow out right away, but after 50k or so, i'd imagine the shocks becoming considered a wear item write off. they werent valved for the spring rates associated with HR springs.

360/320-360 spring rates, opposed to the stock 240/180-240

btw, you can leave the generalizations at the door. most stunnas buy h&r springs for looks, nothing more. it just so happens H&R did a half decent job at it for the itr application.

 

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its because most of us who have these springs have more milage on our shocks...

but ask the ITR owners who have these springs on new shocks IE 50k and under and you will see they have no problems.

my shocks have 80k on them... and with the upgraded H&R springs I am sure they will speed up the process of them blowing out.

all in all .. if you have new or newer shocks you wont have any problems for a long long time.. if your shock are old like mine.. they will eventually need to be replaced sooner.

 

I have (had) this set-up...

The H&R Sports were a great buy for the price. I installed them at 8K miles on the stock shocks. Looks were fine with a small drop. As far a how it handles... it didn't feel much different at all to me than stock. I did a few HPDE's stock and the car was awesome. After the H&R's I think it felt pretty much the same to me. I wish I could remember the name of my instructor at Watkin's Glen, but he drove my car a number of laps and was amazed that all I had was the springs!! I can't give mathematical data on any difference... all I can say is that it is very similar to the old stock springs.

At about 12K miles I blew the rear passenger shock... replaced with Tokico blue's in the rear.

The ride feels like stock and I still have plenty of clearance (even with the notorious "low" Spoon header.)

I now have 38K miles with the Tokico blues rear and stock fronts. Again, I'm quite happy for the $144 spent.

 

I have this setup on a EJ chasis, yes the DC2R springs and toki Blues. Honestly hey handled so much better than the stock civic stuff, I know butt dyno, but the handleing was much better. Yes the comparison was based upon the same 205 tires, and yes I know lowering made addes negagive camber which increases "grip", but honestly, for the price you really can't say no. my buddy's R with yellows and sportlines grips better, but that costed a whole lot more. Can't wait till next springs when I put on the BC.. hope this helped a little

 

if you swap out the stock springs for shorter aftermarket ones, just realize that your stock shocks won't last very long...

A better choice would be to pair a shorter spring with a more robust aftermarket shock (bilstein, koni yellow, etc) that is better suited for the higher spring rates.