drop a B16a2 into a civic ex 98 coupe or just throw on the greddy turbo kit onto the SOHC engine?....both around the same price right? thinking of just going turbo on the SOHC. it has 57K on it. whatcha guys think?

 

Motor, then turbo. You will yeild close to the same times if you turbo the stock or if you drop the B in it. Turbo the DOHC in the future. Thats my opinion.

 

You will probably get around the same power with both, so you should swap then turbo. Plus, why go through the hassle of turbo maintenance if you get around the same hp/tq?

 

A properly tuned D16y8 with intercooled Greddy kit will smoke the **** out of stock B16.

If you have lots of money to burn, do both. Otherwise, go turbo.

 

no moneyz to burn......whatever i chose, this will be for awhile.....meaning at least 4-5 years. what's a good price to get for a greddy turbo with everything i need installed for? if possible, list the parts and price plus the labor all individually. THANKS!

 

Money no real object, B16 turbo, otherwise, go turbo.. you'll thank me, the hybrid's will hate me

 

I think if you won't beable to spend anymore money on your setup for 4-5 more years, you should do the b16 swap.

 

If it is gonna be one or the other, I say turbo the d16. That will be much more fun that the torqueless b16.

 

The turbo d16 at 5.5 psi will put down a little more horsepower, a lot more torque, and be quite a bit faster than the b16. And a lot more fun to drive.

 

What boost do you plan on running with the Greddy kit on your SOHC?

I dont want to take sides but I'll just point out my observations:

-a custom turbo'ed D16 @ 10 PSI ran 14.41 in the 1/4 mile, 60' 2.3sec (street tires)
-a stock Civic Si does 15.3-15.5 1/4? (not sure, but who wants to race a stock car?)
-a modded Civic Si (I,H,E,+++) does about 14.8-15.2 (again not sure)

Now If a custom turbo'ed D16 @ 10PSI doe 14.41 what will a Greddy at 7PSI do? I don't know but I would ask around and see what the D16/Greddy guys say.

BTW the modded Si time is fairly accurate, cause I've raced a couple of Modded and stock Si's up to about 100, and they have always lost to me. All I had was CAI so I guesstimate my 1/4 to be about 14.7-14.9. Even modded GSR's (IHE+++) cant keep up with me.

 

Turbo the D16 man, no way in hell is the B16 going to have as much power without a lot of mods.

 

I went turbo D16 first....w/ the DRAG kit....I loved it..but eventually wanted more...so I dropped a B16 in...and Xfer'd the Turbo Kit.

DRAG uses The same turbo in their D16 kits as they do in their B16 kits.
new manifold, and Downpipe, and I was good to go.

 

i LOVE my turbo'd d16..

I haven't taken it to a track, well, because I don't race it. I rarely drive hard even.
Only reason I bought the turbo is cause I got such a great deal on it.
It's a daily driver car. I run max 5psi ,and the turbo kit bolts on. The ONLY hassle on those is tapping the oil pan.

You can bolt on the turbo youself.. a motor swap is quite a project.

I'de say turbo that d16..


[Modified by Guitarzann, 3:16 PM 12/19/2001]

 

Seems like you're talking about me. Actually, it's a GReddy kit, not custom, and I ran a 14.2@100.2mph on 10psi my second time at the track this month, spinng much of first

And an Si with an AEM running 15.2-15.5, one in a million (at least around here)..

 

Most stock Si's run 15.7-16.0 around here.
Modded they run low 15's at best.

My full interior EX coupe with the greddy kit at 5.5 psi averaged 14.4 in the 1/4 with a best of 14.1 sec. on stock tires.

At 8 psi I ran consistent 13.9's on an extremely (85 degree) hot day with detonation problems.

My bro with greddy kit at 8 psi in a hatch ran 13.7's consistently on the same day with a best of 13.5 sec. Full interior, stock tires.

Is there any really any question as to which one will perform better? Turbo the D16!

 

Why not save your money and get a b18b instead of a b16 then you already have some left over for turbo in the future. We all know b18b's love to be boosted.

 

I'd go B18 before B16 anyday..

 

I totally agree !

But if your only choices were boosted D16 Vs. B16 stock, I would say B16 and save for turbo later. Your power potential is limited on the turbo D16, with a B16, it will be much easier to attain and surpass the power level potential of a turbo d16.

I have pummelled turbo d16's with my old B18B with bolt-ons ! You can make the D16T fast, but think about the future... more power captain !

 

And I have pummelled B18 hybrids, B16 hybrids..... so? Beating one D16 turbo doesn't make a D16 turbo slow.. just means the one you raced was slow, or the driver sucked, or he wasn't ready to boost it hard.

 

i dont get how some of u people are running low 14's on a sohc using 5 pounds on a small turbo? that bsa sohc trubo on 5 pounds runnning low 14's hahaha

 

listen to me i know what i am talking about. i have a 97 ex. you have a 6th gen also. i have the greddy kit on my car. when i raced a good driver in an si w/ i/h/e he beat me and i was running the stock 5.5 psi w/ greddy evo and a 2 10" box in the trunk. im not a good driver and had a bad start. i raced a type r w/ comptech e/i and i was raped. raced a stock si, i raped him. though all these i had stock tires that were bald. i think i run low 15's w/ 8psi. so if your gonna swap to a b16 dont do it. you can yeild more power w/ the greddy kit stock internals and building a d series is cheaper. the kit was designed for a 5th gen si for a reason. this car is alot lighter than the 6th gen coupe. the turbo is small, spools up quick, feels good, but leaves you beging for more. leave this kit for the 5th gen si, but price wise compared to a b16 get it. it's hard to say though cause you always want more. i think the b16 would be best suited for a 5th gen or 4thgen NA. for turbo go w/ a b18. there are lots of options, but if i had to do it over i wouldn't get the kit. i would save for the b18 and go turbo then. if you want the kit, check out groupbuycenter.com. there is this great shop i got my exhaust from cheap. aieonline.com he is selling the kits for $1400 and on the GBC he has them for that price and 28% more off. it's just the kit. if you r gonna boost more than 5 you need an intercooler. mine was 500, but shop around look for a used one. then you need a bov. go greddy type s. so theirs my .02 tuning is important for good times and for it to gain maximum potential too.

hey and whats up w/ these times guys? i have never been to the track but these times just dont sound right. 14.4@5.5psi in a 5th gen coupe? come on greddy doesn't even say that, what other mods do you have? i don't think i could break into the 14's even @ 8psi in a 6th gen. when i raced the stock si and the type r i didnt have subs but still these times sound crazy. if you tell me how you got them i will keep my turbo!!!!! if not it's up for sale.


[Modified by clean, 6:26 AM 12/22/2001]

 

Brother, I would go with the turbo. I am just finishing my custom setup and I guarantee you that no all motor B16 car is going to touch me. Unless they spent more money building their motor than I did on my turbo

 

Think about swapping with a B18 rather than the B16 if you do the swap. The turbo on the D16 is fun. You can get some pretty good times with the Greddy turbo, a 2mm head gasket, stock internals, and Hondata. Some have got 12.9 in the 1/4 with the mods above at 13 psi.
It doesn't sound like you have the money to do a swap and then turbo even if you were going the 1.8 litre route, so, I would go the turbo route for sure. I have had my turbo on since July and it has been great. It would require a lot less effort and time to install the turbo than an engine swap.
Now if I had lots of money, I probably would get another car altogether and modify it, or not, depending on what I got.

 

You said it yourself dude, you can't drive.. don't blame the turbo. I have video's to show you my 14.2, 14.3, 14.5 second passes from last Friday, all at 10-10.5psi. This is on a full interior 6G EX w/ stock 185 tires spinning much of first.. at only 3psi, I pulled a 15.5, faster than 90% of the Si's with bolt-ons run.. it's all in the driving. Haven't raced any ITR's yet, but on 7psi I murdered an RSX Type S, 2 4G Prelude VTEC's w/ bolt-ons, various GS-R's a couple Si's, and about 4-5 hybrids including a JDM B16A in a 5G VX w/ bolt-ons who runs low 14's... you decide..

 

there is no sohc running 5 pounds on a little greddy turbo that is running low 14's
hell u might get a low 15 if that. so stop your bs-ing. i ran 14.4 on 5 pounds. so i know ur not on a sohc.